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    #121

    Jun 7, 2013, 06:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Well you guys go ahead and live in fear and worry, but realize we can move to a better union as out founders laid out by facing our obstacles and challenges with courage, and thoughtful conviction.
    You've denied every scandalous action of this administration and demonstrated a clear disdain for my rights, where's the conviction and thoughtfulness in that?
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    Jun 7, 2013, 07:00 AM
    If you weren't so scared, and see what needs to be fixed and fix it, then you would be thoughtful toward solutions and not just react out of knee jerk fear and try to eliminate the good with the bad.
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    #123

    Jun 7, 2013, 07:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    If you weren't so scared, and see what needs to be fixed and fix it, then you would be thoughtful toward solutions and not just react out of knee jerk fear and try to eliminate the good with the bad.
    Coming from the side that thought Bush was going to cancel the election and name himself king I have to laugh. Right now Americans don't have much good to see from their government, only the few true believers such as yourself can't see the disaster exploding in front of them on a daily basis.
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    #124

    Jun 7, 2013, 07:31 AM
    stop being at war with each other
    Well 'clete for the past decade that has been "the american way". I see no end to it frankly.
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    #125

    Jun 10, 2013, 07:36 AM
    And the hits just keep on comin'.

    State Department memo reveals possible cover-ups, halted investigations

    CBS News has uncovered documents that show the State Department may have covered up allegations of illegal and inappropriate behavior within their ranks.

    The Diplomatic Security Service, or the DSS, is the State Department's security force, charged with protecting the secretary of state and U.S. ambassadors overseas and with investigating any cases of misconduct on the part of the 70,000 State Department employees worldwide.

    CBS News' John Miller reports that according to an internal State Department Inspector General's memo, several recent investigations were influenced, manipulated, or simply called off. The memo obtained by CBS News cited eight specific examples. Among them: allegations that a State Department security official in Beirut "engaged in sexual assaults" on foreign nationals hired as embassy guards and the charge and that members of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's security detail "engaged prostitutes while on official trips in foreign countries" -- a problem the report says was "endemic."

    The memo also reveals details about an "underground drug ring" was operating near the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad and supplied State Department security contractors with drugs.

    Aurelia Fedenisn, a former investigator with the State Department's internal watchdog agency, the Inspector General, told Miller, "We also uncovered several allegations of criminal wrongdoing in cases, some of which never became cases."

    In such cases, DSS agents told the Inspector General's investigators that senior State Department officials told them to back off, a charge that Fedenisn says is "very" upsetting.

    "We were very upset. We expect to see influence, but the degree to which that influence existed and how high up it went, was very disturbing," she said.

    In one specific and striking cover-up, State Department agents told the Inspector General they were told to stop investigating the case of a U.S. Ambassador who held a sensitive diplomatic post and was suspected of patronizing prostitutes in a public park.

    The State Department Inspector General's memo refers to the 2011 investigation into an ambassador who "routinely ditched ... his protective security detail" and inspectors suspect this was in order to "solicit sexual favors from prostitutes."

    Sources told CBS News that after the allegations surfaced, the ambassador was called to Washington, D.C. to meet with Undersecretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy, but was permitted to return to his post.

    Fedenisn says "hostile intelligence services" allow such behavior to continue. "I would be very surprised if some of those entities were not aware of the activities," she said. "So yes, it presents a serious risk to the United States government."

    A draft of the Inspector General's report on the performance of the DSS, obtained by CBS News, states, "Hindering such cases calls into question the integrity of the investigative process, can result in counterintelligence vulnerabilities and can allow criminal behavior to continue."

    John Miller spoke with Mike Pohelitz, a retired Senior Agent at the DSS who was involved in one of the cases listed in the Inspector General's memo. Pohelitz said he was told to stop investigating one of the cases and that the order likely came from the upper ranks of the DSS.

    "I got the information through my DS channel," he told Miller. "But it had to come from somebody higher than DS, I'm sure."

    According to Fedenisn, when a high-ranking State Department security officials was shown a draft of their findings that investigations were being interfered with by State Department higher-ups, he said, "This is going to kill us." In the final report however, all references to specific cases had been removed.

    "I mean my heart really went out to the agents in that office, because they really want to do the right thing, they want to investigate the cases fully, correctly, accurately ... and they can't," Fedenisn said.

    Fedenisn, a DSS agent for 26 years, was a part of the team that prepared the draft report and is now a whistleblower who has taken her concerns to Congress.

    Two hours after CBS News made inquiries to the State Department about these charges, investigators from the State Department's Inspector General showed up at her door.

    In a statement provided to CBS News, the State Department said they will "not comment about specific allegations of misconduct, internal investigations or personnel matters. Not all allegations are substantiated. It goes without saying that the Department does not condone interference with investigations by any of its employees."
    OK lefties, got your talking points handy? Let the spin begin.
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    Jun 11, 2013, 09:01 AM
    What timing, on the day that I'm discussing the left's war on minor girls it turns out this ambassador pervert that apparently liked putting himself and our country in compromising situations by ditching his security detail to get sexed up - allegedly preyed on minors as well.

    The ambassador who came under investigation “routinely ditched his protective security detail in order to solicit sexual favors from both prostitutes and minor children,” according to documents obtained by NBC News.
    Of course he denies the charges and State denies any wrongdoing as well. We'll see.
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    #127

    Jun 11, 2013, 09:02 AM
    If nothing else ,Evita showed how ill equipt she is at being in a position of authority .
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    #128

    Jun 11, 2013, 09:10 AM
    Hello again, tom:

    if nothing else ,Evita showed how ill equipt she is at being in a position of authority .
    If you don't fix your "Latino" problem, your entire party will prove its ineptness. But, it's in your nature to want to send the "illegals" back, and I think your nature will prevail...

    Therefore, no matter HOW inept Hillary is, YOU'RE going to PUT her in the White House...

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    Jun 11, 2013, 09:13 AM
    I don't have a Latino problem... I welcome all legal immigrants.
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    #130

    Jun 11, 2013, 09:32 AM
    It's getting close to half of Texas being Hispanic and Democrats aren't having too much luck here. And we just sent Ted Cruz to the Senate. Of course none of that has anything to do with yet another scandal, although the scandals have something to do with Hillary's approvals dropping.
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    #131

    Jun 17, 2013, 06:00 AM
    Hello again,

    And the hits just keep on comin'.
    To me, I see an unruly federal government. That ain't new. The right wing, on the other hand, sees their WORST Obama nightmare coming true, and it's consuming them. They're not just sitting at home grumbling about either. They're looking for trouble. Yes - I mean ARMED trouble.

    Tell me I'm dreaming.. Tell me this is just normal politics at work.

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    #132

    Jun 17, 2013, 06:03 AM
    Nothing is normal in that system Ex, it is dysfunctional and the right have proven to be the most dysfunctional of all
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    #133

    Jun 17, 2013, 07:11 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    To me, I see an unruly federal government. That ain't new. The right wing, on the other hand, sees their WORST Obama nightmare coming true, and it's consuming them. They're not just sitting at home grumbling about either. They're looking for trouble. Yes - I mean ARMED trouble.

    Tell me I'm dreaming.. Tell me this is just normal politics at work.

    excon
    It's really breathtaking to see clear, intentional abuses of government power and watch you nonchalantly call it an "unruly" government after 8 years of Bush fear-mongering.
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    #134

    Jun 17, 2013, 10:50 AM
    So your Obama fear mongering is in retaliation to Bush fear mongering?
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    #135

    Jun 17, 2013, 11:02 AM
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    So your Obama fear mongering is in retaliation to Bush fear mongering?
    Did the IRS abuse its power or not?
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    Jun 17, 2013, 11:12 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    Did the IRS abuse its power or not?
    Look. This is simple sh1t. The IRS SUCK the big one. Of COURSE they abused their power. Government is abusing its power ACROSS the BOARD. What's NEW about that??

    But, a SCANDAL, it's NOT. CORRUPTION, it's NOT. It's BAD management. It's STUPID people. It's MEAN people. It's government OUT of control. What's NEW about that?

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    Jun 17, 2013, 11:19 AM
    NO, and there is no evidence that says they did, just an apology for screwing up the procedure. A procedure that needs serious clarifications and updating, and promises to catch groups on both sides with enhanced scrutiny.

    Now the abuse was sending private tax payer info to the newspapers, a clear violation of the law.
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    #138

    Jun 17, 2013, 11:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Look. This is simple sh1t. The IRS SUCK the big one. Of COURSE they abused their power. Government is abusing its power ACROSS the BOARD. What's NEW about that?????

    But, a SCANDAL, it's NOT. CORRUPTION, it's NOT. It's BAD management. It's STUPID people. It's MEAN people. It's government OUT of control. What's NEW about that?

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    What's new about it is the left's sudden approval of government abuse.
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    Jun 17, 2013, 03:10 PM
    Hello again, Steve:

    What's new about it is the left's sudden approval of government abuse.
    I'm the left. Does it sound like I approve?

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    Jun 17, 2013, 03:34 PM
    I question the term abuse. I question any term the right uses when they use it. You blew it with voter "fraud". And YOUR "rights".

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