[Wondergirl]

And we return yet again to the tired, well-worn, and thoroughly discredited Genesis 3 argument.

So why are humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants binary as well as LGBT+?

The beauty of binary is that there is no wiggle room.

WIGGLE ROOM???

Why is my SIL gay? Why are several of my friends trans? (and be sure to ask them about the estrogen drugs their mothers received so they wouldn't miscarry)

[jlisenbe]

So why are humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants binary

You do realize you are agreeing with Walter in saying that?

I don't think your reference to Gen. 3 is altogether off except in two BIG ways.

1. You don't even believe the Gen. 3 account is literal, so it's hard to imagine how an imaginary story could explain what we find in the real world.

2. You use it to justify what the Bible repeatedly refers to as sin. If you want to say we are "broken" as a result of sin, then I would agree with that, but I would not agree with your attempt to normalize sin.

[Athos]

You do realize you are agreeing with Walter in saying that?

You do realize that's sarcasm, don't you? Uh oh, I forgot. Second graders aren't that advanced, yet.

[Wondergirl]

You do realize you are agreeing with Walter in saying that?

I don't deny binary. There are also LGBT+ humans, animals, and plants. (Thanks for misquoting me, i.e., cherry-picking, as you do so well when quoting the Bible. I had said, "Not any more! Humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants are binary as well as non-binary.")

I don't think your reference to Gen. 3 is altogether off except in two BIG ways.

1. You don't even believe the Gen. 3 account is literal, so it's hard to imagine how an imaginary story could explain what we find in the real world.

2. You use it to justify what the Bible repeatedly refers to as sin. If you want to say we are "broken" as a result of sin, then I would agree with that, but I would not agree with your attempt to normalize sin.

Are you right handed or left handed? Certainly all those lefties are broken and sinful because of their handedness, since God certainly created Adam and Eve as righties. And we should never make any attempt to correct birth defects because that would be "normalizing sin".

[jlisenbe]

The Bible says birth defects and being left handed are sins???

I did not misquote you. In fact I used copy/paste.

[Wondergirl]

The Bible says birth defects and being left handed are sins???

Birth defects are a result of our sinful condition, our brokenness. Thus, we do our best to either live with that situation or even try to correct them. The same is true of the LGBT+ community. They either live with their situation or try to correct it.

I did not misquote you. In fact I used copy/paste.

You had posted my quote as: "So why are humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants binary."

I had said, "So why are humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants binary as well as LGBT+?

[waltero]

WIGGLE ROOM???

While religion blurs the edges, the binary Gospel brings life into sharp focus.

[Wondergirl]

While religion blurs the edges, the binary Gospel brings life into sharp focus.

Binary Gospel? Heaven or hell?

[waltero]

Binary Gospel? Heaven or hell?

Binary Gospel, Bible or Man?

[Wondergirl]

Binary Gospel, Bible or Man?

Those aren't binaries.

[jlisenbe]

I had said, "So why are humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants binary as well as LGBT+?

Maybe I'm missing something here. Walter says life is binary. In the quote above you agree with that, but then you introduce gays as an example of non-binary. So is life binary or not?

The Bible does not say birth defects are sinful. The Bible does say two men having sex is sinful.

[jlisenbe]

There are also LGBT+ humans, animals, and plants.

There are no transgender, gay, lesbian plants. Sexuality does not apply to plants. And before you respond, make sure you understand what sexuality is.

Did you ever figure out what truth is?

[Wondergirl]

Maybe I'm missing something here. Walter says life is binary. In the quote above you agree with that, but then you introduce gays as an example of non-binary. So is life binary or not?

Life is both, a mix.

The Bible does not say birth defects are sinful. The Bible does say two men having sex is sinful.

No, it doesn't. And where's the "two women forbidden to have sex" verse? Where's the verse that says that a woman can't be given an estrogen-laced drug while pregnant so she won't miscarry and then her baby is born with a mix of sex organs or Klinefelter syndrome?

[jlisenbe]

And where's the "two women forbidden to have sex" verse?

It is contained in the teaching, present throughout the Bible, that sex is for marriage, and marriage is a joining of a man and a woman.

Where's the verse that says that a woman can't be given an estrogen-laced drug while pregnant so she won't miscarry and then her baby is born with a mix of sex organs or Klinefelter syndrome?

Much more to the point, where is the verse where God gives His blessing to two men or two women being joined in a sexual union?

[jlisenbe]

Why is my SIL gay? Why are several of my friends trans?

How can a sister in law be gay without being married to your...sister? At any rate, Jesus is alive today and still changes lives today. Why are the men at the rescue center I go to all in addiction? Addiction is a really tough deal and is terribly destructive. I am certainly not going to go tell them that, because of Genesis 3, many possibilities have now been opened up and God approves of addiction and alcoholism. Instead, we tell them that Jesus is alive today, still changes lives, and He will change their lives as well.

You must ask yourself if you desire the approval of your SIL and trans friends more than you desire the approval of God.

[Wondergirl]

How can a sister in law be gay without being married to your...sister?

She's my SIL because she's my husband's sister. She is legally married to a woman who has been the love of her life for over 35 years. Both were baptized as infants, attended Lutheran grade schools and high schools, and have lived a life of love for and giving to others.

WG asked yet again: Where's the verse that says that a woman can't be given an estrogen-laced drug while pregnant so she won't miscarry and then her baby is born with a mix of sex organs or Klinefelter syndrome?

JL tossed in this non-answer:
Much more to the point, where is the verse where God gives His blessing to two men or two women being joined in a sexual union?

WG explains: That has nothing to do with gay marriage. The mother was married to a man. Please look up DES to find out more about how trans people were produced from the '30s thru the '70s.

You must ask yourself if you desire the approval of your SIL and trans friends more than you desire the approval of God.

Approval??? Are you saying I must dump them as friends and disconnect from any relatives who are LGBT+ so God will approve of me and love me??

[Athos]

It is contained in the teaching, present throughout the Bible,

It seems like just yesterday you mocked patterns in the Bible as my explanation to you for the issue du jour. Now, since it suits you, you use the same argument to support your du jour issue re sexuality.

Two-faced?

[jlisenbe]

She's my SIL because she's my husband's sister. She is legally married to a woman who has been the love of her life for over 35 years. Both were baptized as infants, attended Lutheran grade schools and high schools, and have lived a life of love for and giving to others.

Nowhere in the Bible is infant baptism or attending Lutheran grade schools presented as the means of salvation. Has she repented and believed? If so, then why is she living in disobedience?

WG asked yet again: Where's the verse that says that a woman can't be given an estrogen-laced drug while pregnant so she won't miscarry and then her baby is born with a mix of sex organs or Klinefelter syndrome?

Simply a foolish question.

JL tossed in this non-answer:
Much more to the point, where is the verse where God gives His blessing to two men or two women being joined in a sexual union?

A very good, very pertinent question. The obvious answer is that it's found nowhere in the Bible.

Approval??? Are you saying I must dump them as friends and disconnect from any relatives who are LGBT+ so God will approve of me and love me??

No. I'm saying you should tell them the truth.

It seems like just yesterday you mocked patterns in the Bible as my explanation to you for the issue du jour.

When did that happen? Is this another one of those Navy stories?

[Wondergirl]

Nowhere in the Bible is infant baptism or attending Lutheran grade schools presented as the means of salvation. Has she repented and believed? If so, then why is she living in disobedience?

They are the essence of Christian living and love.

Simply a foolish question.

Millions of parents who had trans children because of DES being given to the pregnant mom are eagerly awaiting your answer. Please research DES.

A very good, very pertinent question. The obvious answer is that it's found nowhere in the Bible.

"Found nowhere in the Bible" because that kind of sex was prostitution set up to bring in money to pagan temples.

No. I'm saying you should tell them the truth.

Tell them YOUR truth, you mean....

[Athos]

When did that happen? Is this another one of those Navy stories?

Interesting how selective your memory is. Except when it suits you to remember.