[Wondergirl]

It's not about who's feeling what, it's about what Obama said. I repeat, It's really simple, did he single out segregated religious schools as among those things that encourage division and discourage cooperation or not?

Until you guys can acknowledge that much there's nothing to discuss.

You've changed your argument. It was "Catholic schools" before this; now it's "religious schools."

The "religious" part isn't the problem; the "division" and lack of cooperation and unity is. That's why they need to have a Catholic-Protestant bake sale and a Saturday night dance.

[NeedKarma]

I notice there's barely of mention of Protestant schools in this thread - I guess they are not outraged about that denomination being mentioned.

[speechlesstx]

You've changed your argument. It was "Catholic schools" before this; now it's "religious schools."

The "religious" part isn't the problem; the "division" and lack of cooperation and unity is. That's why they need to have a Catholic-Protestant bake sale and a Saturday night dance.

Really? I'm not the one trying to discuss everything but the subject of the thread and making excuses for what Obama said.

What is the title of this thread?

Obama: religious schools cause division

I repeat, It's really simple, did he single out segregated religious schools as among those things that encourage division and discourage cooperation or not?

Until you guys can acknowledge that much there's nothing to discuss.

[Wondergirl]

I notice there's barely of mention of Protestant schools in this thread - I guess they are not outraged about that denomination being mentioned.

Bingo! They were named in the same breath as Catholic schools.

[Wondergirl]

I repeat, It's really simple, did he single out segregated religious schools as among those things that encourage division and discourage cooperation or not?

Until you guys can acknowledge that much there's nothing to discuss.

Wow! You've changed your argument!

Yes, SEGREGATED religious (Catholic AND Protestant) schools encourage DIVISION. They do in the U.S. too.

I'm glad you've come around to our point of view.

[speechlesstx]

Wow! You've changed your argument!

Yes, SEGREGATED religious (Catholic AND Protestant) schools encourage DIVISION. They do in the U.S. too.

I'm glad you've come around to our point of view.

Have you no integrity at all? Just close the thread, you don't give a damn about having an honest discussion you're sole goal is to discredit me at all cost.

[Wondergirl]

Have you no integrity at all? Just close the thread, you don't give a damn about having an honest discussion you're sole goal is to discredit me at all cost.

Read back on what you argued earlier and note that you finally are including Protestant schools in the mix.

[tomder55]

I notice there's barely of mention of Protestant schools in this thread - I guess they are not outraged about that denomination being mentioned.

I already addressed that . The " Protestant schools " are the state sanctioned schools in Northern Ireland . The emperor of course favors state controlled education.

[Wondergirl]

The emperor of course favors state controlled education.

And you know this how?

[tomder55]

Well I've known that for a long time . But Wiki affirms my information

Education in Northern Ireland is heavily segregated. Most state schools in Northern Ireland are predominantly Protestant, while the majority of Catholic children attend schools maintained by the Catholic Church.

Segregation in Northern Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Wondergirl]

Well I've known that for a long time . But Wiki affirms my information

Segregation in Northern Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I posted that long ago in this thread. It has nothing to do with Obama hating Catholic education.

How about this? --

Bill Donahue, president of the Catholic League, has a different take on Obama’s remarks. He says critics have taken the words wildly out of context – if they’ve paid attention to the words at all.

“There are plenty of reasons to be critical of President Obama’s policies as they relate to the Catholic Church, and I have not been shy in stating them. But the reaction on the part of conservatives, many of whom are Catholic, over his speech in Ireland, is simply insane,” Mr. Donahue said in a Friday blog post.

“Obama was not condemning Catholic schools – he was condemning segregation,” Donahue wrote. “He was calling attention to the fact that where social divisions exist, the prospects for social harmony are dimmed. How can anyone reasonable disagree with this observation?”

Obama Catholic schools flap: Did he really call for end of religious schools? (+video) - CSMonitor.com

[speechlesstx]

Read back on what you argued earlier and note that you finally are including Protestant schools in the mix.

It's not rocket science to see I've included both since the title. It was you who glossed over that aspect from your first post and are now trying to discredit me by confusing the difference between the subject and the source I cited.

[tomder55]

I posted that long ago in this thread. It has nothing to do with Obama hating Catholic education.

How about this? --

Bill Donahue, president of the Catholic League, has a different take on Obama’s remarks. He says critics have taken the words wildly out of context – if they’ve paid attention to the words at all.

“There are plenty of reasons to be critical of President Obama’s policies as they relate to the Catholic Church, and I have not been shy in stating them. But the reaction on the part of conservatives, many of whom are Catholic, over his speech in Ireland, is simply insane,” Mr. Donahue said in a Friday blog post.

“Obama was not condemning Catholic schools – he was condemning segregation,” Donahue wrote. “He was calling attention to the fact that where social divisions exist, the prospects for social harmony are dimmed. How can anyone reasonable disagree with this observation?”

Obama Catholic schools flap: Did he really call for end of religious schools? (+video) - CSMonitor.com

I am looking at the body of evidence when I come to the conclusion that the emperor has a beef with Catholic education . The very decisions made by the administration regarding religious choice related to Obamacare is all the evidence I need. His main beef is that Roman Catholic church is a self governing entity that won't submit to his dicatates ,and insists that the state honor their very real
1st amendment right to religious liberty and freedom of association.

[tomder55]

And as far as Bill Donahue goes ;I often agree with him ;but not always .As an example , he said the HHS "compromises" were a good thing.
But this time he jumped the shark.
Catholics and Protestants have their own separate parochial schools in this country.
Should that stop in the USA because Donohue alleges it to be a cause of “segregation” in Northern Ireland?

[speechlesstx]

I am looking at the body of evidence when I come to the conclusion that the emperor has a beef with Catholic education . The very decisions made by the administration regarding religious choice related to Obamacare is all the evidence I need. His main beef is that Roman Catholic church is a self governing entitity that won't submit to his dicatates ,and insists that the state honor their very real
1st amendment right to religious liberty and freedom of association.

Exactly, I cited the contraception mandate and the Obamacare attempt to redefine what qualifies as a religious ministry as evidence in the OP.

[talaniman]

Just because they are separate entities does that mean they can't do great things together for their flocks. No matter the country? I certainly hope not.

Don't you agree that them working together would be a great thing and an example of cooperation that would inspire others to greater things among us humans?

[speechlesstx]

Just because they are separate entities does that mean they can't do great things together for their flocks. No matter the country? I certainly hope not.

Don't you agree that them working together would be a great thing and an example of cooperation that would inspire others to greater things among us humans?

Who says they don't work together?

[Wondergirl]

Who says they don't work together?

Do they? How? What are they doing to work together?

[tomder55]

“We Catholics should pray together, but we should also pray with other Christians. We must pray so that God may grant us all unity. Unity!.

“We shouldn't follow the path of division, nor the path of conflicts among us. No! We should all be united. All united despite our differences. Always united. That is the true path of Jesus.”

Pope Francis June 19,2013 .

[tomder55]

Do they? How? What are they doing to work together?

The Holy See - The Roman Curia - Pontifical Councils - Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity