[tomder55]

Huh?

In Northern Ireland ,what he calls the Protestant schools are the state controlled school system. So one of his real beefs is a private education system.

But he has a beef against Catholics in this country and has shown an intollerance to Catholic institutions here . As an example ,Catholic schools are now being coerced into providing contraceptives and abortifacients against their values.
Any way you look at it ,it was an insulting comment . He compared Catholic education to American education in the segregated South . He makes no such claims against the Quaker school his daughters attend . He made no such claim of divisiveness when he made his commencement address at Morehouse last month.. a traditionally Black and all male college . No ,his beef is with Catholics.

[Tuttyd]

It was my choice to focus on what I wanted to discuss. If you want to call it symbolism then fine, but among those things (all of which I acknowledged) that encourage division and discourage cooperation, and the complaint from Catholics, was separate schools for Catholics and Protestants.

Is that true, were they singled out specifically? Yes. Was that not the complaint from Catholics? Yes, again.

The dishonesty came in those denying he singled out segregated religious schools. He did indeed and that is the subject of my post. It's not rocket science. If someone wants to focus on the other aspects they can start their own thread, this one is about the effects of segregated religious schools.

I don't think it would make much sense to start two or three different threads for each relevant paragraph. Considering each paragraph is linked to the other.

P.S. I am not actually calling it symbolism.

[speechlesstx]

I don't think it would make much sense to start two or three different threads for each relevant paragraph. Considering each paragraph is linked to the other.

P.S. I am not actually calling it symbolism.

I don't think so either, but denying he said what he said is totally dishonest.

[Wondergirl]

So that's your idea of an honest debate, closing the thread?

It was suggested I do so because the debate was going nowhere. The thread was closed for a very short time. I reopened it when tomder started a new thread on the same subject, so I merged the two as I reopened this one. I was honest and left all my foot tracks visible for you to gripe about.

[speechlesstx]

It was suggested I do so because the debate was going nowhere. The thread was closed for a very short time. I reopened it when tomder started a new thread on the same subject, so I merged the two as I reopened this one. I was honest and left all my foot tracks visible for you to gripe about.

And ironically you can't see you were the one taking it nowhere.

[Wondergirl]

And ironically you can't see you were the one taking it nowhere.

Tal is helping me. I guess we shouldn't disagree with you.

[speechlesstx]

Tal is helping me. I guess we shouldn't disagree with you.

Still avoiding the obvious. It's really simple, did he single out segregated religious schools as among those things that encourage division and discourage cooperation or not?

[NeedKarma]

The Bible isn't very tolerant at all of other religions:

"Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:
And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place."
Deuteronomy 12:2-3

Christians ARE the problem.

[speechlesstx]

The Bible isn;t very tolerant at all of other religions:

Christians ARE the problem.

This is not a bible discussion, there were no Christians in the time of Deuteronomy and if you can point out which churches are sending their members out to "utterly destroy" all the heathen we can talk, but you still have that confused with radical Islam.

[talaniman]

Yes some Catholics are tripping and some are not and some feel attacked and some do not. What's the point if everybody has a differing opinion on whatever subject? Even about birth control there are clear lines of division over procedure and policy, but to say the president hates you because of that is a stretch.

Matter of fact, I think no matter what he says there will be those who take offense at it just because he said it. That doesn't mean your right... I mean CORRECT... but you have a right to your opinion, and I have a left... oops... right to disagree with it.

[NeedKarma]

Is the Bible not the word of god?

Here's more about the bible that christians follow:

Ezekiel 23:46,47 (KJV)
For thus saith the Lord GOD; "I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled. And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire."

[NeedKarma]

Here is from the New Testament:

Luke 12:49-53

49 “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!
50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed!
51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.
52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three.
53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

[speechlesstx]

Dude, if you want to have a bible discussion there's a board for that, but thanks for demonstrating the bigotry begins with you.

[NeedKarma]

What bigotry? - these are actual verses in the bible that christians follow. I didn't make them up or change them.

If you don't want to have an honest discussion about why christianity causes division then see you later.

[speechlesstx]

What bigotry? - these are actual verses in the bible that christians follow. I didn't make them up or change them.

If you don't want to have an honest discussion about why christianity causes division then see ya later.

This bigotry: "Christians ARE the problem." That was you, not the bible.

[speechlesstx]

Yes some Catholics are tripping and some are not and some feel attacked and some do not. What's the point if everybody has a differing opinion on whatever subject? Even about birth control there are clear lines of division over procedure and policy, but to say the president hates you because of that is a stretch.

Matter of fact, I think no matter what he says there will be those who take offense at it just because he said it. That doesn't mean your right.........................I mean CORRECT.........but you have a right to your opinion, and I have a left.....oops.....right to disagree with it.

It's not about who's feeling what, it's about what Obama said. I repeat, It's really simple, did he single out segregated religious schools as among those things that encourage division and discourage cooperation or not?

Until you guys can acknowledge that much there's nothing to discuss.

[talaniman]

It's a scary thing I know when the cracks and failures of long cherished institutions are pointed out.

[NeedKarma]

This bigotry: "Christians ARE the problem." That was you, not the bible.

Yes, in your situation in Northern Ireland as there are only christians there and there have been problem for decades. What else could it be?

[speechlesstx]

Yes, in your situation in Northern Ireland as there are only christians there and there have been problem for decades. What else could it be?

You tell us, you're the one smearing Christians.

P.S. as I correctly pointed out in the OP that was not a religious war. It was an "ethno-nationalist conflict."

[NeedKarma]

you're the one smearing Christians

Can't be smearing if I'm quoting verbatim from their holy book.

I mention it due to your post.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3491824

They DO encourage division and discourage cooperation.