[De Maria]

You provided neither an argument nor scriptural support. You just asserted that they are the same. No evidence, no argument, no logic, no reasoning, just smug supercilious assertion.

Still contradicting yourself. You claim I provided no Scripture support, then you quote the Scripture I provided saying:

The text you quoted,

Quote:
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

is about how to behave in church, and doesn't even mention the Kingdom of God, much less establish it's equivalence to the Church.

As usual, you don't understand Christian doctrine, therefore you don't understand what we are talking about.

God is King of Kings, therefore His House is His Kingdom:

Apocalypse 17

14 These shall fight with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, because he is Lord of lords, and King of kings, and they that are with him are called, and elect, and faithful.

I already showed from scripture that they are not the same. And you really have nothing to say about whether I have anything to say on the matter.

You showed nothing of the kind. You simply have an opinion. We have another opinion which we can support with Scripture and Tradition.

It matters because equating the Kingdom to the Church distorts the meaning of the parable and diminishes the inclusiveness of the Kingdom of God. Why does it matter?
You haven't supported your opinion with anything, so it's hard to tell what it rests on, except your supremely self-satisfied air of superiority. Rational thought, careful reading, and a common sense interpretation of language.

You just picked up the Bible for the first time and you think you can instruct us on it? The Bible is inspired by the Spirit of God. Unless you have that Spirit. And Atheists don't. By definition, you don't understand the Scriptures. Plain and simple. All you have is your misunderstanding of the Scripture.

[De Maria]

But, this isn’t scripturally based. I thought you were one of those who held that our relation with God should be ruled by the Bible alone? ....

Unless he has very recently converted, he's an atheist.

[JoeT777]

Unless he has very recently converted, he's an atheist.

So now I'm really confused! Then why does he have a dog in this hunt?

[De Maria]

So now I'm really confused! Then why does he have a dog in this hunt?

I don't know. The atheists are trickling back into this forum a bit at a time. It must be slow in the Religious discussion area.

[De Maria]

Fred, I have only one way and that way is Christ.

Why do you separate Christ and His Church? Christ didn't:

Acts 9:4
And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?


Note that Jesus says, "why do you persecute ME".

But whom was Saul persecuting?

1 Corinthians 15:9
For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

Sincerely,

De Maria

[ordinaryguy]

There is nothing you have to do first, before seeking the Kingdom within.

But, this isn’t scripturally based.

You say the statement isn't scripturally based, and then quote two verses of scripture that say almost word for word the same thing. I'm not sure who you think you're arguing with about this, but apparently it isn't me.

1. Luke 12:31 But seek ye first the kingdom of God and his justice: and all these things shall be added unto you.

2. Matt 6: 33 Seek ye therefore first the kingdom of God, and his justice, and all these things shall be added unto you.

I thought you were one of those who held that our relation with God should be ruled by the Bible alone?

No, I'm not "one of those".

[ordinaryguy]

Unless he has very recently converted, he's an atheist.

I am not now, and have never been an atheist, but I do seem to have a very different understanding of God than you do.

[JoeT777]

You say the statement isn't scripturally based, and then quote two verses of scripture that say almost word for word the exact same thing. I'm not sure who you think you're arguing with about this, but apparently it isn't me.

What was intended was a response to; there is nothing you have to do first before seeking the Kingdom of God. My response was that there was something to do, and that something was to seek the Kingdom first.

No, I'm not "one of those".

Ok, you’re not atheist, you’re not “one of those” – I got it, you are Catholic? Right?

JoeT

[arcura]

JoeT777,
Right again.
Wouldn't it be nice if other hostile denominations were as loving and caring for other denominations as it the Catholic Church?
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Akoue]

What was intended was a response to; there is nothing you have to do first before seeking the Kingdom of God. My response was that there was something to do, and that something was to seek the Kingdom first.

That's right. And there's also something about baptism. Jn.3.5: "no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit."

[arcura]

Akoue,
John 3:5 is one of my favorite verses for it is so very clear.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Fr_Chuck]

Christians not being very christian and of course those that pretend to be to bait the christian, nothing changing,

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