[DrJ]

I apologize... I should never use words like "never". However, I will say that your words will fall on many a' deaf ear. Not because they are "Christ-haters" but because of the "un-Christly" way in which you present yourself.

I am very open to gentle conversation, sir. It was, in fact, your very first response to me that dragged us out of "gentle", as I have witnessed you doing with others.

And Mr. Jackson, you do not know what I believe.

Back on topic... what was it again? Oh yes...

If we found life on another planet, it would definitely throw a kink in the teachings of the Christianity. They would be sinners... for ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. However, they would not be saved for God has sent His ONLY begotten Son to Earth to die for OUR sins. Well, I suppose He may have a Daughter to die for theirs:confused:

[ActionJackson]

[QUOTE=DrJizzle]I apologize... I should never use words like "never". However, I will say that your words will fall on many a' deaf ear. Not because they are "Christ-haters" but because of the "un-Christly" way in which you present yourself. QUOTE]

Even the words of Christ, Himself, fell on many-a-deaf-ear. He and His followers were most definitely the minorities of their time. But there was great power in them-those words.

Apparently, my words aren't falling on too many deaf ears because numerous non-believers continue answering my words and following me into areas that I go to remove myself from the constant nagging. My words must have some kind of an effect, wouldn't you agree? Christ was no wimp. Christ is my example; therefore, I am no wimp. I boldly proclaim what I believe. Christ went into a temple once and found the money changers doing business in the temple (I believe it was on the Sabbath day). He turned all the tables over and began whipping the money changers, sending them on their way. Christ stood up for the truth and was a righteous Man. Peter, though later rebuked by Christ, chopped the ear off a Centurion soldier who was in the process of capturing Jesus Christ. The Apostles weren't wimps either. If Christ, Himself, preached the gospel today as He did in His day, people like you would most likely call Him, "un-Christly."

[talaniman]

If this was an islamic thread, I'd jump on their dogma also. Although by definition to my understanding there is no difference between christianity and islam. But If I was an alien visiting Earth I would be afraid of all humans just because because it seems they only holler and fight each other.

[ActionJackson]

If this was an islamic thread, I'd jump on their dogma also. Although by definition to my understanding there is no difference between christianity and islam. But If I was an alien visiting Earth I would be afraid of all humans just because because it seems they only holler and fight each other.

Kind of like you're doing now.

Big differences between Chrsitianity and Islam

Don't worry about the aliens and their perspective and feelings... if they come here it will be because they're hungry or need to stop for fuel.

[talaniman]

What if they were hippies from another world just looking to party?? Or just being neighborly. What if they were just checking the human seeds they planted eons ago?? The possibilities are endless.

[talaniman]

Big differences between Chrsitianity and Islam

You both emphasise following tradition as sheep, and forget that a personal relationship with the Creator comes before the books and scriptures of ancient man. There is no difference. Humans make one for their own purposes.

[Starman]

....If we found life on another planet, it would definitely throw a kink in the teachings of the Christianity. They would be sinners... for ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. However, they would not be saved for God has sent His ONLY begotten Son to Earth to die for OUR sins. Well, I suppose He may have a Daughter to die for theirs:confused:

Why do you assume that they obligatorily must have sinned?

The scripture you quote refers to the descendents of Adam and Eve and no one else.
There are angels, for example, who have remained as they were created--sinless.

Psalms 103:20, "Angels, that excel in strength, that do His commandments, hearkening unto the voice of His word."

[ActionJackson]

You both emphasise following tradition as sheep, and forget that a personal relationship with the Creator comes before the books and scriptures of ancient man. There is no difference. Humans make one for their own purposes.

Islam rejects Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour and Muhammed is the central figure. In Christianity, Jesus Christ is central and all important. Different histories. Different prophecies. Different promises. Different traditions and customs. Much historical conflict. Islam believes that Christians are infidels worthy of death simply for rejecting Muhammed.
Simply put, not the same.

Question, if you are so vehemently opposed to Christianity, why do you continue attaching yourself to a Christian thread? You reject Christ and His teachings. Just be honest, are you simply here to argue? Would you consider yourself a good representative of your belief system?

[ActionJackson]

[QUOTE=talaniman]If this was an islamic thread, I'd jump on their dogma also. QUOTE]

Look towards the top of your screen. You will see a list words. "Home>Society&Culture>Religion>Christianity>Is Earth the only populated planet?" all in that order. See it? Okay. Click on Religion. That will take you to a list of various religions. Islam is listed along with some others. Click on Islam. Bye bye.

[talaniman]

Question, if you are so vehemently opposed to Christianity, why do you continue attaching yourself to a Christian thread? You reject Christ and His teachings. Just be honest, are you simply here to argue? Would you consider yourself a good representative of your belief system?

I never considered debating as being vehement, nor have I ever said I was against christianity, and that was explained in a previous thread. And yes I consider myself a fairly good representative of my belief system, and in being so can go where ever I want, and state what I believe with the same rights you have. Does it offend you? To bad, get over it. I find those who get defensive have something to hide, so relax and explore the possibilities, before you make me suspicious.

[talaniman]

Islam rejects Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour and Muhammed is the central figure. In Christianity, Jesus Christ is central and all important. Different histories. Different prophecies. Different promises. Different traditions and customs. Much historical conflict. Islam believes that Christians are infidels worthy of death simply for rejecting Muhammed.
Simply put, not the same.

Actually its merely a different perspective, The tree has many branches.

[talaniman]

Islam believes that Christians are infidels worthy of death simply for rejecting Muhammed.

Until you find evidence of this, don't expect me to take your word, as this is akin to bearing false witness against your brother. Almost as bad as assuming aliens would only come here to eat us.

[cal823]

Aliens wouldn't only come here to eat us, you have to consider our ski slopes, and the unique fun of cow tipping, which is unique to earth, which are among our many attractions.
Seriosuly now, talanimans right. Don't say that they hate christians, unless their religious texts say things to make us seem bad, otherwise it could just be some factions of the religion, not all.

[Capuchin]

Haha cal, how do you know, there might be other species on other planets that survive being eaten because it's so funny when you tip them over! Any predators can't stop laughing! Talk about evolutionary advantage!

[DrJ]

I apologize... I should never use words like "never". However, I will say that your words will fall on many a' deaf ear. Not because they are "Christ-haters" but because of the "un-Christly" way in which you present yourself.

Even the words of Christ, Himself, fell on many-a-deaf-ear. He and His followers were most definitely the minorities of their time. But there was great power in them-those words.

Apparently, my words aren't falling on too many deaf ears because numerous non-believers continue answering my words and following me into areas that I go to remove myself from the constant nagging. My words must have some kind of an effect, wouldn't you agree? Christ was no wimp. Christ is my example; therefore, I am no wimp. I boldly proclaim what I believe. Christ went into a temple once and found the money changers doing business in the temple (I believe it was on the Sabbath day). He turned all the tables over and began whipping the money changers, sending them on their way. Christ stood up for the truth and was a righteous Man. Peter, though later rebuked by Christ, chopped the ear off a Centurion soldier who was in the process of capturing Jesus Christ. The Apostles weren't wimps either. If Christ, Himself, preached the gospel today as He did in His day, people like you would most likely call Him, "un-Christly."

I don't know what gave you the idea that I thought Christ was a "wimp". Again, that is you assuming that you know me and what I believe. And we all know what happens when one assumes anything.

And don't, not even for a second, pretend that you are Christly. If you existed in Christs day, you would certainly have joined the masses and crucified Him, just as you are so quick to crucify anyone that challenges your beliefs today.

[DrJ]

Why do you assume that they obligatorily must have sinned?

The scripture you quote refers to the descendents of Adam and Eve and no one else.
There are angels, for example, who have remained as they were created--sinless.

Psalms 103:20, "Angels, that excel in strength, that do His commandments, hearkening unto the voice of His word."

Interesting theory. Is there anything that states that the words of the Bible are meant for the descendants of Adam and them only?

Also, you are comparing aliens to angels. If we don't make the distinction between the two, then that could also go to show that Heaven is just like another planet that is populated by aliens (angels).

[Starman]

Interesting theory. Is there anything that states that the words of the Bible are meant for the descendants of Adam and them only?

Also, you are comparing aliens to angels. If we don't make the distinction between the two, then that could also go to show that Heaven is just like another planet that is populated by aliens (angels).

Here are the differences:
Only a third of all angels have sinned, Revelation 12:4
While, in contrast, all humans have.

Angels are spirits and we are material.

Psalm 104:4
Who maketh his angels spirits;...

Hebrews 1:7
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,.

And more powerful..

2 Peter 2:11
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

But there are also very important similarities which far outweigh the physical. For example. Both were created sinless and fully capable of maintaining that sinless condition if they so wished.

"You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones." -- Ezekiel 28:15-16


"This only have I found: God made mankind upright, but men have gone in search of many schemes." -- Ecclesiastes 7:29

Both angels and humans are referred to as God's progeny made in his image. So we are spiritual siblings as it were. The angel which gave John the Revelation made this clear.

Rev 22:
8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

There are words in the Bible which might very well be applied to all his other intelligent material creatures if such exist. But the one quoted is directly referring to the Gentiles and Jews[mankind] and doesn't lend itself to universal extrapolation.

To understand the twenty-third verse we have to consider what is written immediately before it. The context of the scripture quoted indicates that it was written for and referring to humans, specifically to the Roman Christians and natural Jews. It was intended as an explanation of the new relationship or of the creation of a spiritual Israel via the New Covenant which came into effect via Jesus' death. The All, mentioned refers to both Jews and Gentiles who are described as equally sinful and equally dependent on Jesus' Ransom sacrifice for forgiveness of sin. This is made clear in the following verses.


Romans 2:
28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 3:
20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


Book of Romans - Bible Survey

Are angels aliens?
Well, some might view them that way since they definitely aren't of this Earth as humans are. But the word alien seems to convey a spiritual barrier that doesn't exist between the righteous angels and obedient mankind. I can imagine that it also would become a term that just wouldn't fit in with the discovery of other material creatures who are righteous. Perhaps the horror films have contributed to this negative connotation although I strongly suspect that the word per-se has always been rather harsh toward those it's applied to. Because of this I personally would not think of them that way but rather as our elder spiritual brothers who were present and cheered when God created the Earth.

Job 38
1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?



Is heaven a planet?

This reminds me of the Star Trek film where a Vulcan, [Spock's brother] goes searching for God on a deserted planet surrounded by some typew of barrier. No, there is no biblical basis to believe that heaven is a planet. Actually, I fail to see how a partial comparison of angels to humans can lead to that drastic conclusion. Can you explain how?

[DrJ]

Wow... great post, very insightful.

Lets see... I made that comparison because of the comparison of Angels to aliens. Aliens basically being a material being not of this planet. Angels are similar but, as you said, are spiritual, or on another plane of existence.

Heaven could be considered the same way... another planet but one that is spiritual, or on another plane of existence.

[i better say, I am not well versed in Mormonism... what I say next is based on what I know of Mormonism... it may or may not be true or exact... or may just be specific sects of the religion]
What about the Mormon aspect to this. They believe in Jesus Christ and they believe that Heaven is, in fact, another planet. They also believe that if they live a good enough life that they can become a God and will rule their own Heaven, or planet. And I think they believe it will be populated by their children's heavenly bodies, which is why it is custom to have many children.

While I think that religion is a ways off the mark, it can't be that absurd of me to make that comparison.

[Starman]

wow... great post, very insightful.

Lets see... I made that comparison because of the comparison of Angels to aliens. Aliens basically being a material being not of this planet. Angels are similar but, as you said, are spiritual, or on another plane of existence.

Heaven could be considered the same way... another planet but one that is spiritual, or on another plane of existence.

[i better say, I am not well versed in Mormonism... what I say next is based on what I know of Mormonism... it may or may not be true or exact... or may just be specific sects of the religion]
What about the Mormon aspect to this. They believe in Jesus Christ and they believe that Heaven is, in fact, another planet. They also believe that if they live a good enough life that they can become a God and will rule their own Heaven, or planet. And I think they believe it will be populated by their children's heavenly bodies, which is why it is custom to have many children.

While I think that religion is a ways off the mark, it can't be that absurd of me to make that comparison.

Which comparison are you referring to?

I have just recently become better acquainted with the LDS viewpoint which is completely opposite to that of mainstream Christianity. You are right. They believe the biblical God almighty was once a mortal man who was glorified to Godhood and is now actually just one among many other Gods almighties who were also glorified to the position. Of course they do not rely just on the NT and OT to support this view but also on other writings--especially those of their prophet John Smith.

But coming back on subject, under such a theology then, of course the universe would be teaming with multiple universes ruled by multiple procreating married Gods and populated by humans who also aspire to become Gods almighties themselves.

Here is a site which clarifies the LDS doctrine a bit:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Apology offered:
Provided official site as requested:

Also, I did not say that the LDS considered these other "Gods" above the biblical one.
But if there are any other LDS doctrinal errors you feel I made feel free to point them out.

BTW
It is estimated that there are more stars in our universe than all the grains of sands on all the beaches on Earth put together--which makes it rather difficult to imagine that they are completely devoid of planetary life.

[DrJ]

Is your edit in regards to Laceys comment?

Anywhoo...

Im getting a little confused but I believe the comparison that I was referring to is the one which you questioned here:

Actually, I fail to see how a partial comparison of angels to humans can lead to that drastic conclusion. Can you explain how?

And yes, I agree about Mormonism. It is not based on what we know as the OT and NT now but other "lost" scriptures of the same Bible.

I find it odd how these scriptures can be so much different that the "accepted" ones.

So if that were true and our universe is somehow mingled with these other universes, then would they lie on the same plane or realm? Or are they spiritual? If they are just spiritual (not meaning that in a derogatory way whatsoever), then is it even fair to acknowledge them as another planet as intended in the opening post?