[Tuttyd]

Tom, this is not a Marxist design. Marx opposed such collectivist ideas.

[tomder55]

"Feuerbach resolves the essence of religion into the essence of man. But the essence of man is no abstraction inherent in each single individual. In its reality it is the ensemble of the social relations."

Marx 'Sixth Thesis on Feuerbach ' The big difference is that Marx saw ALL societies as collective in one form or another .

[Tuttyd]

Of course he did. That was the problem from his point of view.

[paraclete]

well he would be right at home here among the bougresse

[talaniman]

Societys are collectives to some extent or another. At least sub sets of a greater collective.

[paraclete]

Not sure what you are talking about, we are all children of the creator but we long ago went our own way

[NeedKarma]

we are all children of the creator

If one has that belief.

[talaniman]

We still have to deal with each other in many areas of survival, and resolve conflicts and issues no matter where we think we come from.

[paraclete]

If one has that belief.

irrespective of what you believe

[NeedKarma]

irrespective of what you believe

I guess that kind of works both ways.

[paraclete]

whatever turns you on NK