[Athos]

Hello again, Athos:

I suppose that you're not gonna stop till I respond.... Okee doakee.

Here I was having a nice discussion with my friends when you came along and insulted me. I took exception to it. Ain't nothing more difficult than that.

Now go climb back under your rock!

excon

These are public pages open to all members, not for the private use of you and your friends. Note that I "came along" to disagree with your position in your original post. If you felt insulted, my apology.

[galveston]

I have a pretty thick skin as you probably know. Words don't offend me. HOWEVER I am teaching my kids what I have been taught: overuse of standard swearing words reveals a lack of vocabulary and a generalized problem with socializing with others.

On thls we agree! Surprise, surprise!:D

[JoeCanada76]

Personally...

I know a lot of people that swear. I mean curse.

It all depends on the context. Honestly for me, when people say The Lord's name in vain. It does bother me to the core. That is just me personally.

Everything else does not really bother me.

[galveston]

Okay. As a Christian, I do not use those words and when they start coming in on the TV I either mute it or change channels. I am offended by it.

One lesson to be learned from all this is; don't lose a war.

Does that sound strange?

Several of our choice vulgarisms come from old Anglo Saxon language (or so I'm told). When they lost their country and society, even their language became profanity.

You can say lemaird, dung, or excrement in polite society, but tha Anglo Saxon term for the same substance is profanity. Same for some other words.

[DrJ]

I had heard that, at some point in time, they used to ship manure/fertilizer by boat across seas. And that they used to store it down under the hull.. maybe to lock in the smell? Then someone noticed that a lot of ships kept exploding and they didn't know why. They finally figured out that it was because the methane gas that built up from storing the manure they way they were and something would spark or someone would like a cigar or whatever and ka-boom.

So they eventually had to mark the boats so the loaders would know to Ship High In Transit... which was abbreviated on the side of the boat launching the word into our language from then on...

No idea if that is true or not though...

[Wondergirl]

Snopes says that is an urban legend.

I can't post the link here (doesn't work), so Google "snopes ship high in transit" to find it.

[jenniepepsi]

Mmm I haven't read all the posts.


But I'm a christian. But I also grew up in a sailors home. Lol. And as a teen I spent most of my time in the navy barracks and hangers hanging out with the guys (I was into older guys as a teen)

So yeah, words don't bother me. But I do get offended about people cussing around my daughter.

And I also agree its all in the infliction. If your saying 'ow I stubbed my F-ing toe" I don't care.

If your saying 'OMG your such a f-ing b---h' then, that's going to bother me, no matter who your saying it to, be it me, my friend, my duaghter, or even a complete stranger.

[Chey5782]

These are public pages open to all members, not for the private use of you and your friends. Note that I "came along" to disagree with your position in your original post. If you felt insulted, my apology.

I actually find it more insulting to watch a person behave like this toward another person, than have a person like excon ask a debatable question. Talk about a person more than happy to stir the pot and be insulting. I have no respect for this. Or more simply put, boo.

Syn, I like your answer the very bestest of them all. (chuckle) It annoys me and yet I don't bother with things like "its" sometimes when I am typing quickly. That line of thought bears more consideration. I dig it.

[0rphan]

Like you ex I'm not bothered what people say, except for 1 word being the C word,that makes me cringe.

Unfortunately in today's culture all swear words seem to be matter of coarse,right down to small kids.

Where I work you'll hear Mums shout at their kids "f...... come here" when the child says "F... off they get a slap in the face from the Mum, the child will stand there thinking what have I done.

I have to say I can let rip like most people I know, especially in the area where I work which is mainly drug takers and alike, if I stood there being all posh I wouldn't gain their trust and they wouldn't hear a word I said, to get through to these people you have to adopt their way no matter how degrading it may seem,it's the only way you'll fit in and be accepted, underneath all the obscenities they are really lovely people and would protect me should there be a problem and I've had a few.

At the end of the day it's just words.

I think you have to adjust to the company your in, it's just the way it is now.

[galveston]

Matt 5:14-16
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
(KJV)

Can you truthfully say that your light is shining if you go with the crowd?

[simoneaugie]

Orphan, that was nicely said. No, some people do not pick up on minimal social cues. The lack of credit and acceptance given to someone raised not being exposed to proper English is appalling to me. Those who do know how to use language have the responsibliity to teach it through example.

Having said that... I love the C word. Granted, there have only been three women I have encountered that I could apply it to. And it probably shouldn't ever be used in polite company. When someone surpasses being a B**** by a mile, and you just want to knock them through a wall. That's a c***.

[jakester]

Hello Christians, and anyone else who is offended by down home cussing:

I started thinking about words. I'm not offended by any of them. Some of the worst, are actually the best, in my view. But, I know some people are, and I wanted to talk to them. You guys are the closest to the ones whom I'd expect are offended by certain words....

Ok, is it the WORD, or what the word suggests that is offensive? Like, how is, "that's freaking good" OK, as opposed to "that's f***** good"? Is even writing that word the way I just did using lots of ***'s, offensive???

excon

excon - what's up, man. Ok, so I got to just be upfront about one thing. Why do you have an axe to grind with Christians? Maybe you don't. But it does seem like you have some issue with Christians. Shxx, I have issues with Christians and I am one. But you know what, people are people. Jews hate how they are persecuted, I hate it when Jews come after Christians, and I hate it when Muslims fly planes into buildings to kill Jews, Christians, Atheists, and every other persuasion of people out there.

There are Orthodox Jews out there who would be upset if you said "fuxx." There are Christians out there and Muslims out there, and maybe even members of your own family who if they heard you throw the f-bomb would look at you funny. But it is a word that conjures up meaning to the person who hears it. Some people bristle at it because psychologically they have built up an immunity to it. I personally think that sometimes it just flows out of us when we are angry. Sometimes people pretend they would never say it but in their heart they do. I don't know what to make of it all but sometimes human beings say things to express the raw emotion they feel at times and we just can't help it.

Do you have kids? I bet if you do that you sometimes shield their little ears from your mouth. Why do you do that? It is because you are afraid of them doing the same? Or is it because you know that children do not have a mature context for language?

Don't take offense to what I'm saying here because I do not mean any of what I am saying to be offensive to you or to anyone else. But I have to call a spade a spade and you need someone to call your bluff. :)

Thanks, man.

[artlady]

The F word and others don't bother me a bit but I don't like the word hate or Nig--r or C--t(female anatomy)

I don't like when a young guy refers to his woman as his Bitc-!

That's about all I don't like ,the rest can be very useful for expression,if not overdone of course :)

I do have a problem with trendy expressions that are overdone and trite.

Like ,lets think outside the box.
Pushing the envelope(thankfully that one is dying off)
That call me thing with the hand gesture (gag)
That's how I do(really now)

And many many more.Not enough people have a genuine thought in their head.

[DrJ]

Matt 5:14-16
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
(KJV)

Can you truthfully say that your light is shining if you go with the crowd?

What if my answer was no... but the crowd was actually the one which chooses to give the power to the words themselves, rather than their meaning?

Whereas the other side of society, the sometimes deemed "less educated", might leave the power with the associated meaning and allow the words themselves to be used naturally in every day conversation.

It's kind of like the old cowboy that, after given what would have been a few months pay for randomly helping a damsel in distress (who happened to be the daughter of a wealthy socialite), turns to the lady and says, "Well thank you, ma'am! I'll be... I'm happier than a puppy with two peckers!"

To many, that saying would be appalling. But to that cowboy, it was a totally innocent way for him to genuinely express how thankful he was. Seems much more genuine that a "thank you, ma'am. Much obliged," at least.

[0rphan]

Matt 5:14-16
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
(KJV)

Can you truthfully say that your light is shining if you go with the crowd?

Galveston, I appreciate what your saying and totally understand, however some of these young people have come to me for help, I thank the good guy upstairs for that, and yes I was able to help them.

The point that I was trying to make was that they felt they could approach me, they new I would understand where they were coming from, had I been un-approachable there would have been some very nasty situations, where the out come would have meant someone being hurt, disappearing and involving the law, which in this area you don't do,unless absolutely you've no where else to go.

Sometime it's better to deal with things within the community, they have their own ways.
I don't have to show others what I do, the fact that people come to me for help, tells me all I need to know.

Street cred' is very important in their community, I'd rather be their friend than have them as my enemy.

As I said it's only words, you have to look beyond.

[excon]

excon - what's up, man. Ok, so I gotta just be upfront about one thing. Why do you have an axe to grind with Christians? But I have to call a spade a spade and you need someone to call your bluff. :)

Hello jakester:

Bluff called...

I think you confuse disagreeing with Christian views, with disprespecting Christian people. These are my friends. We've discussed stuff like this before, even LOUDER than this. I'm not afraid to ask them questions - even weird stuff, like about swearing. I'm not afraid to disagree with them either. But, disagreement is NOT disrespect.

You can't find a post of mine where I've put people or their religion down.

excon

[artlady]

You can't find a post of mine where I've put people or their religion down.

I have to agree with that and even when you disagree you have a very light hearted and civil approach.I think you are a bit amused by it all and I suspect that you are a bit of a prankster as well.

[jakester]

Hello jakester:

Bluff called...

I think you confuse disagreeing with Christian views, with disprespecting Christian people. These are my friends. We've discussed stuff like this before, even LOUDER than this. I'm not afraid to ask them stuff - even weird stuff, like about swearing. I'm not afraid to disagree with them either. But, disagreement is NOT disrespect.

You can't find a post of mine where I've put people or their religion down.

excon

Ok, maybe I am confusing the two. And you know what, I'm actually cool with people disagreeing with Christian views. I am certainly not opposed to it at all.

Here's where my beef is, though. Even you, excon, have some sensibilities that can be offended. You didn't answer any of the other things I mentioned, though. Do you have children? If so, do you refrain from indulging in profantity when they are present? Or do you have family members that are really young and when you are in their company do you launch f-bombs?

Thanks, man. I appreciate your comments and I look forward to your answer to my questions.

[excon]

Hello again, j:

Glad you asked... My answer is probably going to reflect a similar sentiment to the one I expressed above.

Swearing to punctuate, to color, to intone depth, isn't offensive to me. When used properly, instead of to shock, some words just can't be replaced.

However, swearing AT somebody, is quite offensive. Calling people names is offensive. It puts them down. That's not the kind of swearing I do.

I'm respectful of people. My mother taught me well. I actually have manners and I know how to behave in polite society. No, I don't drop f-bombs or any other words indiscriminately.

In my own house with my family and friends, I'm myself. I don't pretend. I pass on my values to my children, too. They don't swear in polite company either.

excon

PS> (edited) Ok, I swore AT that guy Athos. What?? You want perfection?

[jakester]

Hello again, j:

Glad you asked... My answer is probably gonna reflect a similar sentiment to the one I expressed above.

Swearing to punctuate, to color, to intone depth, isn't offensive to me. When used properly, instead of to shock, some words just can't be replaced.

However, swearing AT somebody, is quite offensive. Calling people names is offensive. It puts them down. That's not the kind of swearing I do.

I'm respectful of people. My mother taught me well. I actually have manners and I know how to behave in polite society. No, I don't drop f-bombs or any other words indiscriminately.

In my own house with my family and friends, I'm myself. I don't pretend. I pass on my values to my children, too. They don't swear in polite company either.

excon

PS> (edited) Ok, I swore AT that guy Athos. What??? You want perfection?

Thank you for your honesty. I really, really respect that. Personally, I am not offended by profanity because I am who I am as well, and I do swear sometimes.

In truth, the only point I was making was that it is not kosher to make fun of people who have sensibilities to refrain from doing certain things, like swearing. If a Christian, your mother, whoever, wants to teach his child that it is not appropriate to swear indiscriminately in front of others, is there really something wrong with that, excon? You teach your children that swearing is acceptable and some teach that swearing is unacceptable: bottom line is that each of us has to obey his conscience and follow it. What else can you do?

That's the point I was trying to make.

I like you, though, man. I think you are real.