Hello Christians, and anyone else who is offended by down home cussing:

I started thinking about words. I'm not offended by any of them. Some of the worst, are actually the best, in my view. But, I know some people are, and I wanted to talk to them. You guys are the closest to the ones whom I'd expect are offended by certain words...

Ok, is it the WORD, or what the word suggests that is offensive? Like, how is, "that's freaking good" OK, as opposed to "that's f***** good"? Is even writing that word the way I just did using lots of ***'s, offensive??

excon

I shouldn't answer because words don't offend me, they're just words, they only have power if you give them power.

That's all I have to say about that. :)

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

I shouldn't answer because words don't offend me, they're just words, they only have power if you give them power.

That's all I have to say about that. :)

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Hey, Forrest Gump says that last sentence!

Ex, it's about attitude. And if a person is addicted to using those words they frequently fall into the category of the fallen. I love the F word. But then, if someone uses it for more than 8 parts of speech it starts to get boring.

Attitude. What do I mean? Do you know what I mean? It's something about "not supposed to." Those words "aren't nice, so they are not allowed..." When someone tells me not to do something that actually causes harm, I listen.

I don't really mind them. I agree with Simone, you can throw around too many F bombs.

Slap my face and call me Sally, I cuss, not in every sentence but I say the occasional "sh!t" when something happens... so now my two year old says it,I can't really punish her for saying it-- after all monkey see monkey do. If I hear her cussing I usually replace the world like "f-ck" turns into "duck"--- I heard her say "Oh DUCK" the other day. Doesn't bother me. She'll cuss when she's older. Some may think I'm a bad parent for this but well... F you. Kidding.

I do however respect other people because most people are offended by using profanity and I realize some words actually hurt others so I stay clear of that. It's also not like I'm going to be going to a job interview saying "Thanks for the f--ng interview"

So to conclude, I don't cuss at people... I usually cuss at myself.

... Sarah

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello Christians, and anyone else who is offended by down home cussing:

I started thinking about words. I'm not offended by any of them. Some of the worst, are actually the best, in my view. But, I know some people are, and I wanted to talk to them. You guys are the closest to the ones whom I'd expect are offended by certain words....

Ok, is it the WORD, or what the word suggests that is offensive? Like, how is, "that's freaking good" OK, as opposed to "that's f***** good"? Is even writing that word the way I just did using lots of ***'s, offensive???

excon

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I am a Christian and have children. I don't like listening to it at all. And, I definitely don't like for my children to hear it. Even before I was a Christian, I did not use bad language because it sounded degrading, nasty, and served no purpose.

I am somewhat offended by all methods, but mostly disappointed in the user since he has no control over himself. It also shows he has no respect for himself or others around him. It almost always has negative consequences. There ARE healthy ways to "vent."

Does that mean that I don't hear it. No, it is all around me. For me, I choose not to use "bad language" because the Bible plainly states, "to not left any corrupt communication come from your mouth." So, I don't use it or think it.

My questions is back to you as to why you feel like you need to use it. There is so much more positive words that you could choose. IT IS more of a challenge to bridle your tongue and control it, than to let it run wild.

If you, Mr. Excon, really use this type of language, then I CHALLENGE you to try to "bridle" your tongue for a week and SEE if you are able to bring it under control. What do you have to lose?

"A horse under control will bring his master honor, but one out of control will only bring death." Rita

I have a pretty thick skin as you probably know. Words don't offend me. HOWEVER I am teaching my kids what I have been taught: overuse of standard swearing words reveals a lack of vocabulary and a generalized problem with socializing with others.

I use those words all the time. But in the proper audiences. I wouldn't started saying F this and F that in church or in line at the grocery store. I think there are times and places they shouldn't be used only for the offense of others listening. But at the same time, what makes them offensive? They are all words in the dictionary like every other. Its an individual choice to use them and an individual choice if they offend you or not.

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then I CHALLENGE you to try to "bridle" your tongue for week and SEE if you are able to bring it under control. What have you got to lose?

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Hello rita:

Thanks for your comments... I think we're getting somewhere.. It's really not a matter of "bridling" my tongue. In order to DO that, or even CONSIDER doing that, I would have to think that my tongue is about to utter something fowl.

When I swear, I don't consider it fowl at all. It adds a certain color and depth to the conversation. In fact, there are certain swear words that simply can't be replaced by any other.

That's not to say that I don't consider others within earshot. I respect that people, like yourself, don't want to hear it, and I don't impose my will upon others.

Instead of ME changing my thinking, I suggest that you consider that when I swear, I don't think I'm doing anything wrong, and don't think I have anything to "bridle".

excon

I never have found it proper to just throw the words around in front of people but I have no problem with using them of other people using them. I just choose who I say them in front of. I was told at work that I am not allowed to say the F word in front of female co-workers because they might get offended and press sexual harrasement charges. I don't see how that makes sense but I have to follow by it. Also I am not allowed to cuss over the CB in my office because we aren't allowed to say them over radio waves even though everyone does. I don't know if we would get shut down using them or what. I was always told it isn't proper to say the words in front of ladies so I try to refrain from that. Now something I never have said and never will is using the lords name in vain. I don't believe it is practicing good faith. Anyway, if anyone says the words in front of me, I will not care.

I swear all the time. I try not to swear in front of kids but a few slip out. My family curses all the time. The best was when my wife first met my family I had to explain to her look we don't talk to each other we yell and curse at each other. We aren't mad or anything like that it's just the way we are. 8 years later she is still uncomfortable.

To me it isn't a big deal. Like Ex said you can say frick or frak or talk like Ned Flanders from the Simpsons but we know what you really mean. I love when They dub out curses on TV like I'm going to kill that mickeyficky.

Excon, I do, and have, cussed like a sailor. I'm not proud of it, but I still do it. Usually at work, mainly. I have two young sons that think I'm omnipotent, so I really have to watch my mouth around them. It's not that hard, I just do it automatically. I don't use the " F " word around my wife, or other women that much either. But it's really ironic that you bring this point up right now. There's a guy that I work with that was " saved" 5 years ago, and he takes every opportunity to call someone out for using profanity. I mean da**, sh**, "light" cuss words . You see, this guy has raised more "heck" in his life than ANYBODY else I know. Drugs, alcohol, a real wild one. But now that he's found the Lord, he's "offended" by such words. He really plays it up too, like he wants everyone to KNOW he is a strict Christian, so he purposely EMBARRASSES people that use these words around him. Once he called out our senior manager in a crowded conference room for saying " shooting the sh**". Totally unnecessary in my book. I think he did it just to prove that he was newly " annointed". It's not like he's Amish or something like that. You see, he still goes to , and rents R rated movies that warn of profanity, so don't tell me it's that big of a deal. It would be like me, a former smoker, coughing and complaining about someone that is smoking around me. In the meantime , I'm respectful, and trying to watch my mouth. Words are just words, some truly hurt to the core, but lets pick our battles. Television shows nowadays are filled with profanity that makes me cringe when my kids are watching. But, adults should be a little more *7^5$#@! Tolerant.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello rita:

Thanks for your comments... I think we're getting somewhere.. It's really not a matter of "bridling" my tongue. In order to DO that, or even CONSIDER doing that, I would have to think that my tongue is about to utter something fowl.

When I swear, I don't consider it fowl at all. It adds a certain color and depth to the conversation. In fact, there are certain swear words that simply can't be replaced by any other.

That's not to say that I don't consider others within earshot. I respect that people, like yourself, don't want to hear it, and I don't impose my will upon others.

Instead of ME changing my thinking, I suggest that you consider that when I swear, I don't think I'm doing anything wrong, and don't think I have anything to "bridle".

excon

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Thanks for being so honest. So far I have determined that you are intelligent and emotional but numb in the "what is a "bad word" category. A nice but somewhat awkward personality.

It definitely sounds like you have made it a "habit." A habit, you know, is something we do without thinking about it. It becomes a part of us. If you have children, you know that habits are the hardest to break.

Because you said you respect others within earshot, this means that you are aware of what you are saying. Do you choose not to "cuss" before them out of respect for the listeners, OR do you choose not to "cuss" because you have a sense of "It is wrong."

I am an adult, and even I have habits that need to be broken. So, we are not so different. I, however, make an effort to "check" any habits that are offensive and "wrong" before God. (I am a Christian and I have to answer to Him.) I also read His word and know what pleases and displeases Him.

What happened to your conscience? Would you take my word for it that it was wrong? Would you take God's word for it that it was wrong? Did your parents not tell you it was wrong? Whose teaching did you leave behind? Whose teachings did you pick up?

I disagree with you where you said that there are certain swear words that can't be replaced by others. I wonder how I managed to live my entire 46 years and not utter one of them. I was not even raised in a Christian home and heard bad language even then. I just chose not to use them. Even then I had a sense of right and wrong.

If God stood before you, would you use "bad language?" What is your sense of right and wrong. Would you teach your children to curse? Would you teach anyone to curse? I still issue the challenge just to see if you can use "flowery" words when you feel the need to use your selection.

You can always get back to me next week and tell me your progress. Just a note, I harbor no ill will (just disappointment) towards those that use bad language. As a Christian, I rub shoulders with non-Christians all the time. (I am sure that there may be Christians that use bad language as well.) Most of them have respect for me, and choose not not use "language." I respect them for it. Look forward to your reply.

"A fog will always cover the beauty around us." Rita

Personally, I find words like "God is the only way to salvation" MORE offending than the F-bomb.

Perhaps those people that think I should not say "F**k" in front of their kids should not talk about God in front of me, because I find that offensive.

My mother calls my dad a "horse's patoot" when she's mad at him. Seriously--is that any BETTER than calling him an arse, which is what she means?

What about the use of the word bloody? My English friend uses that word as often as some of my friends use the F word. Same with "wanker" instead of "sh*thead".

If I say "god bless it" instead of "god damn it"---but mean the SAME thing when I say it--does it really matter what I'm SAYING?

/shrug

It comes down to this: If you don't like it, then don't say it. Teach your kids that it's wrong. But don't tell ME that I can't say it, because I'll be too busy teaching my kids that talking about religion in mixed company is rude and offensive.

(yeah, that was a bit of a soapbox)

If it's not using the Lord's name in vain, is it against His will? Or is it society's will?

Hello again, rita:

Look. I'm not buying your "swearing is wrong" theory, so I have no "habit" to break.

I am aware that certain people don't like to hear certain words. I don't utter them out of respect for the PEOPLE. But, it doesn't mean I agree with them.

You ask about my teachings as if to suggest that I've been taught wrong. Hmmm. I wonder what teachings YOU have that would cause you to make such a judgment. In fact, I could say that it's YOUR teachings that have you fogged in - not the other way around

excon

You did ask Christians along with others to answer. I was only giving an answer. In all honesty, I was not judging you but only going by what you said in your post.

You assumed that Christians were offended by language and to that I responded. You wanted to know why. If a person is a Christian they will be somewhat offended by bad language.

Where did I get my teachings? From my parents when I was young. Then when I became a Christian, I read in the Bible where it was wrong.

I was not preaching to you but only sharing a part of my Christian walk and my use of bad language. It was not meant to offend anyone that uses curse words. Besides, I assumed everyone's parents or peers had told them it was not right to use bad language.

I was truly interested in how you had no trouble in saying them. Was my question not fair since you did ask it of Christians along with others? My answers were given in a playful manner. Sorry for all that I offended. Rita

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Besides, I assumed everyone's parents or peers had told them it was not right to use bad language.

I was truly interested in how you had no trouble in saying them.

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Hello again, Rita:

There was a time in my life when I lived by other people's standards. Then I discovered my own. Mine are better.

excon

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Hello again, Rita:

There was a time in my life when I lived by other people's standards. Then I discovered my own. Mine are better.

excon

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Excon,
Fair enough. I can somewhat relate. There was a time in my life when I lived by my standards. Then I discovered God and His were better.

Thanks for being honest and open with me. Rita

rnrg, I'm curious what words you have chosen God to mean when He said "corrupt communication". No, I'm not asking you to list them or even describe them. But ask yourself, "why those words?" Certainly, God nor Jesus spoke of a list of what words were OK and what words were not.. especially since those words, and the language they are even spoken in, didn't even exist then.

Somewhere along the way, society began making it's own decisions with what words belong in that category. So really the one you are obeying is society, not God.

If someone doesn't feel that certain words are corrupt in the eyes of God, why should he be bound to the "laws" that society has placed on them?

Surely God meant the manner in which one speaks rather than the words themselves. An evil tongue and corrupt communication is achieved in much more deliberate ways than simply uttering specific words used to color ones point.

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rnrg, I'm curious what words you have chosen God to mean when He said "corrupt communication". No, I'm not asking you to list them or even describe them. But ask yourself, "why those words?" Certainly, God nor Jesus spoke of a list of what words were ok and what words were not.. especially since those words, and the language they are even spoken in, didn't even exist then.

Somewhere along the way, society began making it's own decisions with what words belong in that category. So really the one you are obeying is society, not God.

If someone doesn't feel that certain words are corrupt in the eyes of God, why should he be bound to the "laws" that society has placed on them?

Surely God meant the manner in which one speaks rather than the words themselves. An evil tongue and corrupt communication is achieved in much more deliberate ways than simply uttering specific words used to color ones point.

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I can agree with you that corrupt communication is achieved in much more ways.

I have not chosen any words, though. Before I was a Christian I knew a good word from a bad word because I had a conscience. Then when I became a Christian, God begin to clean up my use of "slangs." No one person had to tell me.

Also, if there was nothing wrong with these "bad" words, why would we tell our children not to say them. Is there a time in their young life that we will later tell them that it is okay. Society is not the only one that says these words are wrong. God may not have listed each one but he does know the intent of a person's heart when they say them. The verses below were written by God. When we become Christians, the Holy Spirit makes sure we are aware when we say something offensive, whether it is a sarcastic remark, a "curse" word, being rude, or insensitive. This includes filthy talking. In God's eyes, it is wrong.

Colossians 3:8) KJV “But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.”

I do know that as a Christian we should watch our language because we are representing God. Here are several verses that God has given us that I try to live by.

Ephesians 4:29) KJV “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.”

Ephesians 5:4) KJV “Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.”

(Matthew 5:16) KJV “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.”

(Matthew 15:11) Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

(Matthew 7:18) KJV “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.”

We are known by our fruits. As Christians we should not be known by fruits of foul speech.
Again, this is the way by which I live. No one has to agree with me or even be offended. But, Christians were asked to respond to this post. In the end, it is I that will have to stand before God and give an account of every idle word that I have said. Just another note, there are both believers and non-believers that choose not to use bad language.
Mine is because of God's word. Please understand that nothing that I have said was meant as offensive. For me, it is wrong.