[arcura]

Tj3,
Now for sure I must agree with Akoue.
He is reading what the passages say not what you attempt to make them say.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Tj3]

Tj3,
Now for sure I must agree with Akoue.
He is reading what the passages say not what you attempt to make them say.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

That is fine Fred, I'll stick to the context of the passage. Everyone is welcome to believe what they wish.

[arcura]

Tj3,
Yes, Thanks for that.
Fred

[sndbay]

Paul makes his subject clear without any doubt and I agree Tj3 that the following verse clearly tell us we are accepted as His beloved adoption of children by Christ. And not by our own doing but by the blessing of Our Father, who blessed us with Christ Jesus.

Eph 1:3 Blesses be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

It also says we obtained this inheritance, and it is to be with praise and glory to God. Because it was trusted in Christ by His Father, and that we must also trust in Christ. (Note: that we must trust in Christ because of all that is written in truth of the gospel about our salvation) Only after we acknowledge our trust in Christ, believing in Him, do we become sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.

Eph 1:11-14 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Note: that Paul says cease not the prayer of thanks ( Eph 1:16-20) Which in doing we receive wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Christ. And the hope of His calling, all done in the hands of Christ working, and power as the right hand of God. Not only in this world but in the one to come..

So by trusting in all that is written in Christ we have faith... Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Because!!! We are His workmanship... created in Christ with good works in which we should walk.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


John 1:16-17 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

[sndbay]

tell me what u think am i done for ? am i going to hell with no way out..

It is not for us to judge anyone... And I trust in God above all .

God knows what is in your heart, and God goes to the very depth of your thoughts which your heart has accepted. God also know what He has revealed to you, and what He choosen not to permitted because of your choices... God is reality... He stands at the door waiting for those who love Him, and those who will follow Him.

~ Hear His voice, and be obedent to His will..

Jeremiah 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

[arcura]

sndbay,
Yes you are right...
But...
We must be forgiven to get into heaven.
That means that whenever we sin we must be sorry for our sins, confess our sinfulness and ask for forgiveness. Not just one time, but every time.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Tj3]

sndbay,
Yes you are right.....
But....
We must be forgiven to get into heaven.
That means that whenever we sin we must be sorry for our sins, confess our sinfulness and ask for forgiveness. Not just one time, but every time.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Read 1 John 1:9. What does "all unrighteousness" mean?

[arcura]

Tj3,
Why do you ask me?
Have you lost your dictionary.
I think you will trust that me than what I say.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Tj3]

Tj3,
Why do you ask me?
Have you lost your dictionary.
I think you will trust that me than what I say.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

If you don't want to answer, I understand.

1 John 1:9-10
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
NKJV

[arcura]

Tom,
You asked a silly question.
I gave yiu a silly answer.
What ekse did you expect?
Of course I have read that verse many times and you should have been able to figure that out by yourself.
Or are you again trying to play games with me.
If so don't do it.
Fred.

[Akoue]

I don't get it? why do you want to argue over words.

Well, ClassyT, if the words are in the Bible, then it actually matters whether we understand them correctly or not. I'm sure you'd agree that it is important to understand the Bible correctly. And doing that requires understanding the words that are used, and the ways in which those words are used. This means, for example, understanding the way words are put together in sentences. If someone misunderstands or distorts the way words are put together (by, for instance, misunderstanding or distorting the grammar of the sentences in which they are put together), then that person has misunderstood or distorted the meaning of the Bible. I should think that anyone who believes the Bible to be the word of God would hold that we ought to have the very highest standards when reading that word. After all, to misunderstand the meaning of a passage in a novel has no real stakes unless one is a student writing a paper on that passage for a grade. But to misunderstand the meaning of a passage in the Bible has stakes for one's soul.

If one regularly misunderstands the meanings of words and sentences and entire passages of the Bible, I think it's fair to say that that person doesn't understand the Bible well at all.

[De Maria]

I got it from something called the Bible.

I don't see anything about seeing it on a time-line in your Bible. Show me.

They have been in scripture all along. In my Bible anyway. Are they not in yours?

Show me from your Bible.

But in order to find out what the author said, the reader must read the book.

Exactly. I thought I said that.

It means:

Since Romans 3:23 is clear that all have sinned, then those who are not saved are facing an eternity in hell.

So you are saying that all who have sinned will go to hell. But you just denied that you said that?

Well, what do you think that it means to not be saved?

It means "sinner".

Read your statement. You are equating sinners with "those who are not saved". But Jesus did not come for the righteous (the saved) but sinners (those who are not saved).

Therefore, Jesus came to save those who are not saved.

What do you think that those who are saved, are saved from?

Must one remain "unsaved"? Must one remain a "sinner"?

[De Maria]

Well, ClassyT, if the words are in the Bible, then it actually matters whether we understand them correctly or not. I'm sure you'd agree that it is important to understand the Bible correctly. And doing that requires understanding the words that are used, and the ways in which those words are used. This means, for example, understanding the way words are put together in sentences. If someone misunderstands or distorts the way words are put together (by, for instance, misunderstanding or distorting the grammar of the sentences in which they are put together), then that person has misunderstood or distorted the meaning of the Bible. I should think that anyone who believes the Bible to be the word of God would hold that we ought to have the very highest standards when reading that word. After all, to misunderstand the meaning of a passage in a novel has no real stakes unless one is a student writing a paper on that passage for a grade. But to misunderstand the meaning of a passage in the Bible has stakes for one's soul.

If one regularly misunderstands the meanings of words and sentences and entire passages of the Bible, I think it's fair to say that that person doesn't understand the Bible well at all.

Exactly! The Bible itself says that many people will distort the Bible to their own destruction.

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

[N0help4u]

You all most be confusing the OP to the point that he might feel like giving up
all together. We are all sinners so the distinction IS sinners that purposely sin and do not care or believers that fall short by falling into sin and pray for forgiveness and strength to overcome our sins.

[Tj3]

Exactly! The Bible itself says that many people will distort the Bible to their own destruction.

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

We see that often even on this board.

[Tj3]

You all most be confusing the OP to the point that he might feel like giving up
all together. We are all sinners so the distinction IS sinners that purposely sin and do not care or believers that fall short by falling into sin and pray for forgiveness and strength to overcome our sins.

Well said.

[Fr_Chuck]

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