[joker123]

If she already has a copy, then I'd just go and explain your copies are destroyed. I don't see that you have any other choice.

Other people have posted that the div office didn't have the papers so apparently this person is on her toes.

Everything is fine with the fact that I don't have the papers, I called the woman she said its OK.

[joker123]

Update: Today was my appointment with the lady for diversion. Me and my sis went in together. It took us 1.5 hrs to get there and 1.5 back it was brutal. Anyway, we got there waite a bit, were called into the office with the woman for diversion. She explained everything to us, the rules of the alternative measures program. She said that she will go over what we did in the report and she will ask us questions, like why we did it, what would we do differently, etc etc but before that she explained what happens if we complete the program. She said that it will be granted a stay, which means that if we complete what she says and go back to court they will have it removed, as in completely whip our record. It may take up to 1 yr max for it to be whiped, but could be 3 months, 6 months, etc but 1 yr MAX. she said that this is so that if someone does do it again in that time, they know ,etc etc. she said that the peel region police will have it on file saying we were charged always, but once we did the program, no one else will see it. No employer and such. She said we could leave the country as of now because we have not been convicted. She also mentioned to go have our finger prints removed, fill out the app right after our last court date because the cops will keep it because they don't have to destroy it. All in all she was very nice, and down to earth, she understood what we had to say. She gave us an option of either community service or 15 hrs or $100 donation + a letter of apology since we were students she wanted it to accommodate us as we may not have enough money we can choose service or if we don't have time just pay the donation. She also mentioned that the letter the store sends DO NOT PAY because they just do this to scare you and never go into it in depth as it does cost them money to hire lawyers to write the letters, etc etc and if you don't pay it 99% they won't take you to court and if they do its just to sue you, no criminal charge or anything. All in all, it was very accommodating so bottom line is we do the letter and donation, report back to her in like 2 weeks show her we did it, she sends it to court, we return to court once more, and its all done. It was not bad at all, I'm just lucky we don't live in the US which she explained to us is MUCH stricter. Anyway that's my story, I just wanted to keep updating for people who are in this situation, I know how stressful it was for me. Cheers

[ScottGem]

Thanks for the update, but that is pretty much what we told you would happen from the very beginning. The info about not paying the fine that the store imposes is interesting though.

[s1976]

Thank God you and your sis made it. I am so stressed out. So how long did it take for you to go to the Diverion lady after your court date i.e. . I am just trying to calculate the whole time line?So you have to go to court in 2 weeks time now after you have done your diversion program? Thanks for all your help & input.

[joker123]

Thank God you and your sis made it. I am so stressed out. So how long did it take for you to goto the Diverion lady after your court date ie . I am just trying to calculate the whole time line?So you have to goto court in 2 weeks time now after you have done your diversion program? Thanks for all your help & input.

I know how you feel man, it killed me all the waiting and stuff, and I know people say it'll be all right and tonnes of peiople have gone through it and say its nothing, but still, the worry kills. But you, after your first court date, they tell you to call the woman and schedule the appointment when you can, she is very very flexible, at least mine was and she said its cool if you can't make it last second to just call her to rebook it, even when I went some guy was late and she said she'll rechedule for him. So you do that, then go to diversion, 30 min interview then she asks you when you can come back, again you totally choose when to come back, flexible. Then you complete it by that date, come back, she sees that you did your duties, you go back to court and its all done. And my court date was first week October, div was yesterday, I have to come back 4th November, court 8th. That's it

[joker123]

Thanks for the update, but that is pretty much what we told you would happen from the very beginning. The info about not paying the fine that the store imposes is interesting though.

Well, yea it is pretty much what you said, but some people were more pessimistic, and stressed to the max how I need to get a lawyer even thought most people said no, so there was a lot of stress, but its all done now so whatever.

[joker123]

Also I have another question, the woman said my court date is on the 8th of November at 9 which is a Saturday. Re courts open on Saturday, I can't find the hours for this courthouse anywhere :S

[ScottGem]

Call her back and ask.

[s1976]

Hi Again, So your whole ordeal took 2 months I guess. You are in Peel area- Mississauga area i.e.. How long did it take for you to book an appt with the Diversion lady?After your court date i.e. when you called her. So are you on probation till the whole charge gets dropped? What happens after your next court date?
Thanks for all your help.

[joker123]

Hi Again, So your whole ordeal took 2 months i guess. You are in Peel area- Mississauga area ie. How long did it take for you to book an appt with the Diversion lady?After your court date ie when you called her. So are you on probation till the whole charge gets dropped?? What happens after your next court date?
Thanks for all your help.

I called her like a week and a half after my court date, you can call whenever but the sooner the better. And no, no probation, nothing like that, I can do whatever I want, no restrictions, I have not been convicted, nothing, no need for probation for a minor offense like this. Its just a matter of completing a letter, and doing a donation. That is all. Honestly man I know you've probably heard this a million times, but don't worry, and I know I could not stop worrying even after hearing people say not to, but take my word on it, if its your first offense, with clean record, you have absolutely nothing to worry about, I regret worrying so much now, my worrying ruined my 2 months. And you I'm in the peel area

[joker123]

OK, so a letter came in the mail today, surprisingly only one for me none for my sister which is weird, and my dad saw it, and is so devastated as am I it just kills me. I don't know what to do, to pay or not, the lady from diversion said no and lawyers said no, but its for 315 dollars not 512 I don't know what to do. Help

[ScottGem]

Listen to the advice you got.

[joker123]

So I was granted a 'stay' as I completed the e.fry program. I have one question, if I do a criminal records search for a job or whatnot, will anything come up? No right? Only police in depth search? I'm asking this because I'm getting a job at a bank and I'm assuming they get you to do a crim check. Anyone ? And I've read the past tread about a 'stay' but didn't have much info. Thanks

[s1976]

I know it takes 1 year for them to destroy the fingerprinting but that's not totally destroyed. The employer can't see that but the police always will. Also did you pay the money to loblaws for there civil settlement? How much did they send you ? Thanks again and all the best with your job.

[ScottGem]

I believe this has been answered before. No conviction, no criminal record.

[joker123]

I know it takes 1 year for them to destroy the fingerprinting but thats not totally destroyed. The employer can't see that but the police always will. Also did you pay the money to loblaws for there civil settlement? How much did they send you ? Thanks again and all the best with your job.

Oh OK, makes sense, and you they sent me $315 about 3 weeks ago this Monday and it said if I don't may within 15 days sblah blah, never did anything, nothings happened yet, andmy sis didn't get a fine which is weird, I only got one :S, but all in all, I'm through with this stuff and I'm happy

[KBC]

Learn any lesson from this?

[joker123]

Learn any lesson from this?

Have u not read my posts on this thread?

[JudyKayTee]

have u not read my posts on this thread?

Yes, that's why the question was asked.

[joker123]

Yes, that's why the question was asked.

Obviously I have learned a lot, if you READ my past posts on this thread you will see that I have stated several times that I've learned my lesson and will never do it again. I am still unsure of the fact that its been 'stayed' or 'expunged', as I have a job interview soon they may ask for a crim record check if I was to do one now, what will show up? Nothing? Or will it say its stayed? If it says its been stayed it might as well say I was convicted