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alkalineangel · Jun 22, 2007, 11:05 AM

Nice catch.

michealb · Jun 22, 2007, 11:21 AM

Your right Curlyben our bad she didn't ask the non christians we shouldn't have responded.

Capuchin · Jun 22, 2007, 11:22 AM

I only started to reply because someone was spreading complete fallacy about scientific understanding.

alkalineangel · Jun 22, 2007, 11:23 AM

Im Christian... and I still think it is an incorrect belief...

jillianleab · Jun 22, 2007, 11:26 AM

Perhaps she only values the opinion of the Christians and the claims of the non-Christians are falling on deaf ears... Either way I didn't see anything which said "Only Christians may respond to this question" I think it was a lively debate however, and perhaps will continue to be one.

alkalineangel · Jun 22, 2007, 11:32 AM

I concur... it interests me.

Curlyben · Jun 22, 2007, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by alkalineangel

Im Christian...and I still think it is an incorrect belief...

That's just it, it is a BELIEF and nothing more.
belief - Definitions from Dictionary.com

The great thing about fanatic religious beliefs is that they need no grounding in reality at all.

alkalineangel · Jun 22, 2007, 12:46 PM

Very true indeed. I guess I think too logically. I can believe in a God or a creator, but I have a hard time believing that this creator who supposidly loves us, would deceive us. (Which is the argument against scientific fact that I most often see) When there are cold hard facts documenting certain things, how can you ignore them. God gave us minds to think, not minds to look at something say "No, Your facts dont mean anything because I have 1 book that says differently", and then move on...

rankrank55 · Jun 22, 2007, 12:58 PM

That is exactly how I feel angel! If God gave us brains to use then why would he want to decieve us. Doesn't add up to me.

rankrank55 · Jun 22, 2007, 12:59 PM

This might piss some peeps off but how DO we know that God and the Bible are real...

JoeCanada76 · Jun 22, 2007, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Curlyben

Only when it comes to THIS ONE THREAD, Joe !!!

I notice that my earlier question still goes unanswered.
Had a feeling it would.

I thought I answered it??

JoeCanada76 · Jun 22, 2007, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by rankrank55

This might piss some peeps off but how DO we know that God and the Bible are real...

God is within us all, God is all around us.

Just because you can not see the air, does not mean it is not there. Or that we need it to be able to breath.

As far as the bible. It is real, Or we would not have one. Lol Bible is a book. It is written and many accounts of history recorded. That is a fact.

Joe

Curlyben · Jun 22, 2007, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Jesushelper76

I thought I answered it?????

You sort of HALF answered it as you were unsure.

rankrank55 · Jun 22, 2007, 01:07 PM

I always believed in God but my family never really took me to church when I was young, so over the years I have questioned my faith a lot. It has all gotten harder for me to comprehend and believe.

Curlyben · Jun 22, 2007, 01:10 PM

Well I have found god and HIS name is Higgs boson THE God Particale

Tessy777 · Jun 22, 2007, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by jillianleab

Perhaps she only values the opinion of the Christians and the claims of the non-Christians are falling on deaf ears.... Either way I didn't see anything which said "Only Christians may respond to this question" I think it was a lively debate however, and perhaps will continue to be one.

I don't value the opinions of Christians more... I was just curious to see what they think. I had a pretty good idea what non-Christians would think already. I meant no harm... of course ANYONE should respond that wants to...

ActionJackson · Jun 22, 2007, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by rankrank55

This might piss some peeps off but how DO we know that God and the Bible are real...

First of all, FAITH is all one really needs; however, for those who need evidence, there's some of that too.

First of all, we have all heard of cause and effect. If you were to trace every effect back to its cause, you would find that things have a sort of domino effect. One thing happens and causes the next thing to happen and so on. All that having been said, there can only be one first Cause. There has to be a first Cause. Nothing could have caused the first cause else the first cause would not be the first cause as whatever caused the first cause would then be the first cause. Get my drift? Since the first Cause is uncaused, it must be eternal. The First Cause is God.

The Bible is "real" in many respects because the history recorded therein has been documented in extra-biblical writings. Also, many of the geographical locations spoken of in the Bible that were hidden from view for centuries have been discovered by archeologists. There is even extra-Biblical documentation that Christ did indeed rise from the dead. Not that anyone actually saw Him rise but there were Roman soldiers guarding the cave where Christ lay and the cave was covered by a large boulder. By morning, the boulder had been moved and Christ was not to be found within the tomb.

Bottom line, faith is all a Christian needs. Faith.

michealb · Jun 22, 2007, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

First of all, we have all heard of cause and effect. If you were to trace every effect back to its cause, you would find that things have a sort of domino effect. One thing happens and causes the next thing to happen and so on. All that having been said, there can only be one first Cause. There has to be a first Cause. Nothing could have caused the first cause else the first cause would not be the first cause as whatever caused the first cause would then be the first cause. Get my drift? Since the first Cause is uncaused, it must be eternal. The First Cause is God.

Then could it be that god made that first cause then set up a series of rules that must be followed to achieve his desired outcome and if this is the case than couldn't science just be humans finding the rules that god set up. Therefore the more you learn about science the more you learn about god.

ActionJackson · Jun 22, 2007, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by michealb

Then could it be that god made that first cause then set up a series of rules that must be followed to achieve his desired outcome and if this is the case than couldn't science just be humans finding the rules that god set up. Therefore the more you learn about science the more you learn about god.

I love science. I have no problem with science at all until it contradicts God. There are many scientists who are Christian. Many have written books disputing the conclusions of non-Christian scientists. A large portion of my library consists of said books.

jillianleab · Jun 22, 2007, 02:29 PM

This might piss some peeps off but how DO we know that God and the Bible are real...

Scientifically, we don't know. That's why you have believers and non-believers.

Some people are born with faith, others, aren't. Some lose their faith. Some find it. I believe some just aren't born with the capacity for it. Religion (or lack thereof) is a very personal thing, and no one can MAKE you believe one way or another, you have to decide for yourself. So if you think the idea of God (Christian or other) makes sense and it's something you are comfortable with, you have faith. If you find it impossible to believe there is an all-powerful man in the sky, then you don't. As far as the Bible, well, it's a tangible thing, so we know it exists, the question is; is it the word of God or is it a collection of stories. Again, only your faith can answer that for you.

ActionJackson, how can you say you love science until it contradicts God? Isn't that just saying you agree with what other people say until you don't? Of course scientists can be Christian, but that doesn't mean they are better/worse more right/more wrong than scientists of other religions.

Tessy I'm sorry, my post was supposed to be taken in a teasing manner, I hope I didn't offend you!