[excon]

Hello again,

Uh, oh. I think NK is about to expose the terrorist who is the second largest stockholder of FOX NEWS.

excon

[NeedKarma]

Damn you! :)

[smoothy]

So if we find that an institution is funded by people with ties to terrorism should that institution be shut down?

Ah ha... Glad YOU mentioned that...

The answer is Yes... and there are multiple examples where that HAS happened.

There is in fact a law on the books to that effect. There have been many places effectively laundering money from Terrorists as well as Drug trade sources in the Middle east. Some were pretending to be Islamic Charities.

THere were examples of that within miles of where I live.

There was also a Islamic Center that was busted in Merrifield VA for teaching Jihad was a proper and acceptable action. So much for claims of the mythical peaceful and tollerant Muslim. They were Funded by the Saudis Primarily in that case.

[NeedKarma]

So what do we do with this?

[Wondergirl]

Because Its not Two blocks from a terrorist attack site.

Yes, it is. It's the building that will be razed (and has been determined not to be a historical landmark after all) to allow for the building of the community center.

(I go away for a half hour, and youse guys fill up three pages while I'm gone!)

[excon]

Damn you! :)

Hello again, NK:

Didn't mean to steal your thunder. Explain it to our friend, smoothy. Maybe you can even link us to Jon Stuart who catched 'em.

excon

[NeedKarma]

I'll wait for his reply. I'm a little busy with a task at work now.

[Wondergirl]

So the Jews who had it first

It has nothing to do with who "had" it, but has everything to do with how those sites are valued. For instance, Muslims believe the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem is the first Qibla (direction of prayer). An area near Mount Sinai is considered holy ground, not because of a battle but because it's mentioned in the Quran (sort of like Bethel in the Jacob's Ladder story).

[tomder55]

Why has no one objected during the past year to the Muslim use of the abandoned Burlington Coat Factory building at 41 Park Place as a mosque?

Because no one knew about it ?
A couple misconceptions
It is not an abandoned building. The owner attempted to sell it after the attack made it unoccupiable (I wonder how they were able to hold services for 450 people in a building not approved for occupancy ? ). The building was sold to Soho Properties real estate developer Sharif El-Gamal at bargain basement prices because the building was damaged in the attack... who stated the plan was to build condos .It was after the purchase that the
Suddenly the plan changed to convert the site to a Victory Mosque.

The current building is a relatively small 4-5 story othewise undescript building 600 feet from the WTC . The plan is to make it a towering 13 story structure that will be easily visible by people who visit the eventual 9-11 memorial .

To answer the question of how far away is appropriate ;there is already mosques that are not called Cordoba (to conjur images of the Ummah's conquest in the West ) 4 blocks away. There never have ,nor will there ever be objections to those mosques.

[Wondergirl]

yet AMERICAN school children are not allowed to express their religion in a voluntary prayer or a school function because Chirstians has fewer rights then Muslims

If the Muslim-American schoolchildren pray Christian prayers along with the Christian-American schoolchildren, will the Christian-American pray Muslim prayers along with the Muslim-American schoolchildren?

[Wondergirl]

It is not an abandoned building.

Burlington Coat Factory is still in there? According to a number of Internet sites, "Until its 2009 purchase the building lay abandoned."

the plan changed to convert the site to a Victory Mosque.

Where did the word "victory" come from?

[Synnen]

Incidently where are you coming up with those numbers of witches burned. THere wasn't 30,000 non-native indians (basicly European Settlers) living in what became the USA at that time.

Islam is based on the first-born son of Abraham--Ishmael. The SAME places that are important to Christians and Jews are important to Muslims.

If we want to talk about taking it doesn't mean it's yours---does that mean you're ready to hand any of YOUR property back to the native Americans?

And witch burnings happened ALL across Europe over a several hundred year time.

[NeedKarma]

Where did the word "victory" come from?

Right-wing talking points.

[smoothy]

Hello again,

Uh, oh. I think NK is about to expose the terrorist who is the second largest stockholder of FOX NEWS.

excon

Well, being I'm far from weathy enough to be the majority stockholder in a single local donut shop... it can't be me.

[smoothy]

Islam is based on the first-born son of Abraham--Ishmael. The SAME places that are important to Christians and Jews are important to Muslims.

If we want to talk about taking it doesn't mean it's yours---does that mean you're ready to hand any of YOUR property back to the native Americans?

And witch burnings happened ALL across Europe over a several hundred year time period.

Islam isn't based on Ishmael... they Worship Mohammed as their Messiah. Mohammed wasn't born until the 7th centuay AD.

That's the same as Saying Christianity wasn't based on Jesus Christ.


As far as ownership...

Existing legal precident holds in that case... example - They are STILL finding and returning artwork that was stolen from Jews under the Nazi's. Usually to heirs of the victims.

Doesn't matter who paid for it or how much,. stolen is stolen.

Explain it to the cops if the deal you got on Craigs list was too good to pass up. Cops come after it... guess who gets to keep it... (Hint, it won't be you).

[Wondergirl]

It is not an abandoned building. The owner attempted to sell it after the attack made it unoccupiable (I wonder how they were able to hold services for 450 people in a building not approved for occupancy ? ).

So, it was not abandoned, just unoccupied. But it must have been condemned so that no one was allowed to use it, i.e. "not approved for occupancy."

It was unoccupied until it was purchased by Soho Properties in June 2009. Did they rehab to make it habitable again?

[NeedKarma]

Well, being I'm far from weathy enough to be the majority stockholder in a single local donut shop......it can't be me.

But if it was a terrorist sympathizer should Fox be banned from broadcasting in the US?

[speechlesstx]

Right-wing talking points.

From the Latin, victoria. Or was it Joe Biden when he declared Obama had won the war in Iraq?

[Wondergirl]

Islam isn't based on Ishmael

Islam considers Ishmael as the ancestor of Arab people.

they Worship Mohammed as their Messiah.

Since when?

[Wondergirl]

From the Latin, victoria. or was it Joe Biden when he declared Obama had won the war in Iraq?

Naw. I think President Bush had said something about a mission accomplished. He was on a boat or something when he said it.