[NeedKarma]

It's not a smear when it's true. Also you do the same to muslims but it's OK when YOU do it.

[speechlesstx]

Steve NK's non sequitur was meant to be a cheap smear of Catholics.

I know, it's the go-to smear along with the crusades, the inquisition and witch trials.

[tomder55]

Your statement would be true if I were doing the same to muslims . But I am not .

[NeedKarma]

I know, it's the go-to smear along with the crusades, the inquisition and witch trials.

This one is more recent as victims keep showing up.

[speechlesstx]

It's not a smear when it's true. Also you do the same to muslims but it's ok when YOU do it.

That's a flat-out lie, NK. We've been abundantly clear in making the distinction between radical Islamists and the rest. It's you who lumps all Christians together with your attacks.

[speechlesstx]

This one is more recent as victims keep showing up.

And my point in noting we have a playground is, as it is with the majority of churches you have zero instances of clergy abuse in my church to point to.

[NeedKarma]

We've been abundantly clear in making the distinction between radical Islamists and the rest.

Then what's the problem, it isn't radical islamists that will be in this building, right?

[Synnen]

I know, it's the go-to smear along with the crusades, the inquisition and witch trials.

Witch trials - At least 30,000 men, women and children (yes, children) tortured and burned for being anti-church. Please remember that we're NOT just talking about Salem and New England when we talk about the Witch Trials. We're talking about a several HUNDRED year campaign to wipe out any trace of matriarchal societies and worship of the Goddess. ANYONE who did not follow church dogma was burned--not just a few women who some bored teenage girls pointed fingers at.

Inquisition - An estimated 20,000 people tortured and killed. A mostly economic war perpetuated by the Catholic church on anyone who had anything they wanted. I would like to point out that the Inquisition perfected several truly heinous forms of torture that they would use on children as young as 2 years old. Anyone declared a heretic would have their property confiscated, and any heirs would ALSO be accused of at least beign an accessory to witchcraft. Any child that did not denounce their parents as witches ran the risk of torture themselves and of being left penniless even without the torture. The church could ALSO declare people already dead to be witches and heretics, and would exhume the bodies and burn the bones--and then confiscate the "witch's" property from the heirs. This would sometimes happen up to 50-70 years AFTER a person died.

Crusades -- record keeping seems to have been abominable, but the numbers seem to tally up to over a million people killed on both sides--but one battle alone for Jerusalem left some 40,000 Muslims dead. Another battle left 8,000 Jews dead. And before someone gets high-handed about the Christians taking back Christian sites from the Muslims who had taken them a few centuries before---please remember that these are sites sacred to the MUSLIMS too, and to the Jews. The Old Testament sites are sacred to all THREE religions.

So... extreme torture and slaughter over centuries for political and economic reasons, and we should just accept the apology of Christians? Isn't that kind of like the Germans becoming a world power and apologizing for Hitler and expecting the world to forget it and move on?

[speechlesstx]

The ninth crusade ended in 1272 - 738 years ago. The last of the Salem witch trials was in 1693 - 317 years ago. The last of the inquisitions was in 1860 - 150 years ago. I wasn't around for any of that Synnen, I have nothing to apologize for.

[smoothy]

Witch trials - At least 30,000 men, women and children (yes, children) tortured and burned for being anti-church. Please remember that we're NOT just talking about Salem and New England when we talk about the Witch Trials. We're talking about a several HUNDRED year campaign to wipe out any trace of matriarchal societies and worship of the Goddess. ANYONE who did not follow church dogma was burned--not just a few women who some bored teenage girls pointed fingers at.

Inquisition - An estimated 20,000 people tortured and killed. A mostly economic war perpetuated by the Catholic church on anyone who had anything they wanted. I would like to point out that the Inquisition perfected several truly heinous forms of torture that they would use on children as young as 2 years old. Anyone declared a heretic would have their property confiscated, and any heirs would ALSO be accused of at least beign an accessory to witchcraft. Any child that did not denounce their parents as witches ran the risk of torture themselves and of being left penniless even without the torture. The church could ALSO declare people already dead to be witches and heretics, and would exhume the bodies and burn the bones--and then confiscate the "witch's" property from the heirs. This would sometimes happen up to 50-70 years AFTER a person died.

Crusades -- record keeping seems to have been abominable, but the numbers seem to tally up to over a million people killed on both sides--but one battle alone for Jerusalem left some 40,000 Muslims dead. Another battle left 8,000 Jews dead. And before someone gets high-handed about the Christians taking back Christian sites from the Muslims who had taken them a few centuries before---please remember that these are sites sacred to the MUSLIMS too, and to the Jews. The Old Testament sites are sacred to all THREE religions.
So...extreme torture and slaughter over centuries for political and economic reasons, and we should just accept the apology of Christians? Isn't that kind of like the Germans becoming a world power and apologizing for Hitler and expecting the world to forget it and move on?

Um... that is incorrect. Islam did not exist at the time of nor is it mentioned in the Old testiment... it came about 700 years AFTER the advent of Christianity, which also is not mentioned in the Old Testiment, while the Old Testiment is shared by Jews and Christians alike, the NEW TESTIMENT was written POST Jesus Christ who incidentally was born a Jew himself.

Just because you steal something from someone under armed force... doesn't make it YOURS. If that was true, Japan, and Europe would be US Territories if not part of the USA. Since we took back Europe from the Nazi's who took it from someone else in the first place. That didn't make it morally or rightfully ours any more or less than Islam was entitled to lands they took by force.


Incidentally where are you coming up with those numbers of witches burned. THere wasn't 30,000 non-native indians (basicly European Settlers) living in what became the USA at that time.

[Wondergirl]

Old Testament sites are sacred to all THREE religions.

Synnen correctly said OT SITES are sacred to all three religions. Two of those sites are Jerusalem and the Mount Sinai area.

[Wondergirl]

Why has no one objected during the past year to the Muslim use of the abandoned Burlington Coat Factory building at 41 Park Place as a mosque?

[smoothy]

Why has no one objected during the past year to the Muslim use of the abandoned Burlington Coat Factory building at 41 Park Place as a mosque?

Because Its not Two blocks from a terrorist attack site. Distance has everything to do with the significane of a memorial from the stire it memorializes.

There also is an existing Mosque that predates 9/11 a block and a half further away... besides... this is all about WHAT someone is building and WHERE they intend to build it.

Funny that the people arguing the Muslims shoudfl get a fast track and government assistance to build a Mohammed Attah terrorist Memorial are the very same people that fought against a Cross being erected where people might or might not actually see it.

What happened to the lefts insistence of separation of Church and state when it comes to anything Christian. But insist on government HELP for Muslims.

[excon]

Hello again:

Given that you acknowledge they have a RIGHT to build, your protest is NOTHING more than stating your opinion, which you have the RIGHT to do...

But, are there not SOME of you who think government should DO something?? You, tom, mentioned some local politician who was going to take away the mosque under eminent domain. THAT government intrusion didn't seem to upset you. In fact, I think you LIKED it.

If they DID pass a zoning law to STOP it, would you come to the aid of the victim of religious repression, or would you cheer? Do you see my confusion when you say you support the Constitution?? Nahhh. Probably not.

excon

[smoothy]

Synnen correctly said OT SITES are sacred to all three religions. Two of those sites are Jerusalem and the Mount Sinai area.

So the Jews who had it first... somehow don't merit precidence... not the Christians who were there too long before the Muslims. And those sites are only Sacred to muslims because they tried and failed to commit Genocide of anyone who did not worship their Pedophile Messiah.


And tangentally... should not parts of Poland and France be returned to Germany since that was taken from them and was historically theirs. Why does Islam merit special rights with the left. Is that where the majority of their campauin contributions are actually coming from? Unnamed Overseas sources?

[speechlesstx]

Good point, less than two weeks after SCOTUS ruled a memorial cross in the Mojave desert could stay, someone stole it. Is that the kind of example we should follow in this case?

[excon]

Hello again,

So, how far from ground zero SHOULD the Muslim free zone be? You say two blocks is too close, but you won't say how far is cool. Come on, don't you know? Should it extend all the way to Murfreesboro, Ky? Some Kentuckians think so.

excon

[smoothy]

Hello again:

Given that you acknowledge they have a RIGHT to build, your protest is NOTHING more than stating your opinion, which you have the RIGHT to do...

But, are there not SOME of you who think government should DO something???? You, tom, mentioned some local politician who was going to take away the mosque under eminent domain. THAT government intrusion didn't seem to upset you. In fact, I think you LIKED it.

If they DID pass a zoning law to STOP it, would you come to the aid of the victim of religious repression, or would you cheer? Do you see my confusion when you say you support the Constitution??? Nahhh. Probably not.

excon

Who is paying for that... any American Citizens... OH right... thats all a great secret.

Because we know its NOT Americans doing it... and NOBODY has pointed out where forign entities can waltz right in, take what they want and do what they want in defiance of American Citizens...

THe Terrorist loving Baby molestor Imam who wants to do this Doesn't have the money... and refuses to disclose who's paying for it.

Maybe because his buddies in the Opium Trade are really the ones buying it with Drug Money.


Nobody just "finds" 100 million dollars laying around.

ANd incidentally, justify Muslims RIGHT to build a memorial to the 9/11 terrorits a stiones throw from ground zero... yet AMERICAN school children are not allowed to express their religion in a voluntary prayer or a school function because Chirstians has fewer rights then Muslims to the left? That is abundently apparent in the lefties arguments and previous hatred and anti christian actions the previous 40 years.

[smoothy]

Hello again,

So, how far from ground zero SHOULD the Muslim free zone be? You say two blocks is too close, but you won't say how far is cool. Come, don't you know? Should it extend all the way to Murfreesboro, Ky? Some Kentuckians think so.

excon

I think that's fair...

Until ISLAMIC nuts allow a Christian Church to be constructed in BOTH Medina and Mecca, I think a reciprical moritorium on ALL Miosque Construction should be put into place.

After all if MOST muslims are such a reasonible and friendly bunch like the left argues, that shouldn't be a problem. I'm sure most churches could gather enough money to fund the construction there. Fair is fair.

After All it's the left that argues Islam is a religion of peace, and Tollerance. Something I have yet to see examples of anyplace in the world you get more than 100 muslims together. Particularly when they are the Majority, which they always gain usually through killings and intimidation.

Individually many probibly are nice.(many I know are)... but get enough together then a mindset to dominate and destroy anyone who opposes their beliefs takes over.

The total lack of respect and sensitivity they (Muslims) express towards Americans proves it in their insistence to do this regardless what non-muslims think of it.

Maybe we should burn Martin Luther King effigies on Lee Jackson day...

Or would that not be considered offensive and disrespectful to blacks? You know like the Mohammed Attah Memorial wouldn't be disrespectful and offensive to most Americans?

[NeedKarma]

Who is paying for that.....any American Citizens....OH right.....thats all a great secret.

So if we find that an institution is funded by people with ties to terrorism should that institution be shut down?