[speechlesstx]

Yes, I believe I responded with "meanwhile, what the hell are they doing for my daughter besides lying through their teeth?" While you're wasting your time with nonsense that stands no chance the good, compassionate liberals in California are busy lying and neglecting a real woman in need while costing me tons of money I don't have to do what they are supposed to be doing, what they promised to do and what they are REQUIRED to do. But hey, I don't know nuthin' about any war on women.

[talaniman]

You are hardly the only one who gets angry, and frustrated at trying to navigate the system, and save money you really don't have. I know first hand it's a nightmare, and have real empathy for those going through it.

It ain't easy and the right guidance and support is what I sought out, but its still a difficult process to go through.

[speechlesstx]

My point is your side wants more of the system.It doesn't work now so why would anyone want more? The people we're dealing with should be giving us guidance but they've done nothing but LIE, and we know it for a fact.

And did I mention the poor care and runaround my ailing veteran of a father has been getting from the VA for the last month? The government is going to end up taking every penny of his money, his home and his property to 'care' for him after serving his country and being a working taxpayer all his life.

Forgive me if I bristle at the idea of expanding government, they don't do sh*t unless you're a single black woman with 6 kids, or maybe an auto worker getting paid to sit on his a$$.

[tomder55]

maybe an auto worker getting paid to sit on his a$$.

Or a pervert teacher who should probably be in jail.
EXCLUSIVE: Perv music teacher Aryeh Eller, who only worked one year full time, has collected $1 million for 13 years in rubber room - NYPOST.com

... for a minute there I thought I was speaking about Senator Robert Mendendez... who wants to reform immigration laws so he can bring under age prostitutes into the country.

[excon]

Hello tom:

Still waiting for you to tell me what negotiable means.

But, again, your posts make CLEAR your positions have NOT changed. Again, and/or UNTIL you tell me clearly that they HAVE, the Hispanics will CONTINUE to hate you, and Hillary will be our next president.

All this other stuff is subterfuge, because you don't want to answer my question.

excon

[tomder55]

Here is what I wrote :

For the parents ;the ones who broke the law ;their path to legal residency and possible citizenship is negotiable.

Negotiable is negotiable . If they comply with the terms that Congress and the President agree to in a future plan then they can stay and granny isn't sent back .
You have already heard many times the outline for the agreement . On that issue both sides are much closer to an agreement of principles.
The hang up is that your side wants us to go through this kabuki dance in 20 years when the next wave of illegals have crossed the border.
The details ? I already told you that Rubio had a plan I could support .So I'll give you his words on the issue:

The third key area: addressing the undocumented immigrants already here. Those who have committed serious crimes in the United States should be found, arrested and deported.

Most of those who are undocumented are not dangerous criminals. But most are also not victims. They knowingly broke our immigration laws and do not have a legal right to remain here. But they are also human beings who made those choices in pursuit of a dream we recognize as the American dream.

The best thing for our country is to deal with this issue in a humane but responsible way that ensures this never happens again - not because anyone has a "right" to reside here illegally, but because, with or without documents, most of them are here to stay.

We can't round up millions of people and deport them. But we also can't fix our broken immigration system if we provide incentives for people to come here illegally - precisely the signal a blanket amnesty would send.

Instead, the first step should be to require those who have not committed any felonies and are assimilated into America, to have the opportunity to apply for temporary non-immigrant status. To receive this status, they will have to come forward, admit wrongdoing, undergo a background check and pay back taxes and a meaningful fine for violating our laws.

To keep this status, they must maintain clean criminal records. And they will not be able to receive welfare, student aid or any other federal public assistance.

It's not a good idea to have millions of people permanently trapped in an immigration status that keeps them forever at a distance from our society. Therefore, once our new enforcement measures are certifiably in place, they should be allowed to apply for permanent status - not through a special pathway, but through the new and modernized legal immigration process we envision. They will have to wait behind everyone who applied before them legally. And when their turn comes up, they will have to meet the conditions of the visa they apply for.

In the past, efforts to accommodate the undocumented have failed because the enforcement measures were never implemented. That's why this option to apply for a green card and get in the back of the line should not be made available until it is certified that significant progress has been made on enforcement of our immigration laws.

Ex-Las Vegan Rubio outlines a GOP vision for immigration reform - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com

That is the framework .The details are negotiable.

[talaniman]

My point is your side wants more of the system.It doesn't work now so why would anyone want more? The people we're dealing with should be giving us guidance but they've done nothing but LIE, and we know it for a fact.

And did I mention the poor care and runaround my ailing veteran of a father has been getting from the VA for the last month? The government is going to end up taking every penny of his money, his home and his property to 'care' for him after serving his country and being a working taxpayer all his life.

Forgive me if I bristle at the idea of expanding government, they don't do sh*t unless you're a single black woman with 6 kids, or maybe an auto worker getting paid to sit on his a$$.

Your response is emotional and inaccurate. I have gone through the same process as you have with 3 different members of my own family (two vets and a non vet), and the outcomes was vastly different than yours.

And be careful who you denigrate as I am a steelworker who gets paid to sit on his A$$, its called a pension. It wasn't free, you actually have to work for decades to get it. Or get hurt on the job, severely I may add.

That offensive statement about the single black woman with 6 kids should be balanced to include the single white woman with 6 kids also. I will attribute this as more emotionally fueled innacuracy, because I know for a FACT, you are not a racist.

[speechlesstx]

Your response is emotional and inaccurate. I have gone thru the same process as you have with 3 different members of my own family (two vets and a non vet), and the outcomes was vastly different than yours.

And be careful who you denigrate as I am a steelworker who gets paid to sit on his A$$, its called a pension. It wasn't free, you actually have to work for decades to get it. Or get hurt on the job, severely I may add.

That offensive statement about the single black woman with 6 kids should be balanced to include the single white woman with 6 kids also. I will atribute this as more emotionally fueled innacuracy, because I know for a FACT, you are not a racist.

Um, my response is clear-headed and accurate.

[talaniman]

here is what I wrote :

Negotiable is negotiable . If they comply with the terms that Congress and the President agree to in a future plan then they can stay and granny isn't sent back .
You have already heard many times the outline for the agreement . On that issue both sides are much closer to an agreement of principles.
The hang up is that your side wants us to go through this kabuki dance in 20 years when the next wave of illegals have crossed the border.
The details ? I already told you that Rubio had a plan I could support .So I'll give you his words on the issue:

Ex-Las Vegan Rubio outlines a GOP vision for immigration reform - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com

That is the framework .The details are negotiable.

His plan and the Obama plan are vastly more similar than NOT.

Obama and Rubio Immigration Plans: What's the Difference? - ABC News

So Obama's plan should be just as negotiable on the details.

[tomder55]

Then no issue. Like I said already ;I'm not comfortable with 'comprehensive ' plans... consider it 'once bit twice shy '.

I'm also undecided on 'guest workers' . Guest workers too often become "permanent " illegals.

The White House, for instance, hasn't officially announced its plans

.
So perhaps their plans are similar . My guess is that Obama will take a version of the Rubio plan as the best he can get.
Me... I suspect we will be having this discussion again as the new wave of illegals cross the border .

[talaniman]

He will probably endorse the senate plan.