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    #41

    Sep 5, 2010, 08:24 PM
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    God will manifest Himself to you. In other words, salvation.
    He doesn't need that prompt. He makes the salvation available without it.
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    #42

    Sep 5, 2010, 08:28 PM
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    Before I answer, I'd like an explanation of what "obey Christ" means.
    It means obey The Trinity's WILL (GOD) and if HE deems to give you HIS graces you will be saved otherwise you won't be saved
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    Sep 5, 2010, 08:30 PM
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    It means obey The Trinity's WILL (GOD) and if HE deems to give you HIS graces you will be saved otherwise you won't be saved
    What a fickle, even mean, guy!
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    #44

    Sep 5, 2010, 08:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    What a fickle, even mean, guy!
    Me or the Trinity?
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    Sep 5, 2010, 08:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel1st View Post
    me or the Trinity?
    The deeming one.
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    Sep 6, 2010, 02:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    He doesn't need that prompt. He makes the salvation available without it.
    He makes it available but He doesn't give it out unless you first have faith and make an effort to find Him.

    Otherwise, even unrepentant sinners would be saved.
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    Sep 6, 2010, 02:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria View Post
    He makes it available but He doesn't give it out unless you first have faith and make an effort to find Him.
    That's not human effort; that's the Holy Spirit at work.
    Otherwise, even unrepentant sinners would be saved.
    If they are unrepentant, they are saying "no, thanks."
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    Sep 6, 2010, 02:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    That's not human effort; that's the Holy Spirit at work.
    Aha! I think we're getting somewhere!

    That's the Holy Spirit working where?

    If they are unrepentant, they are saying "no, thanks."
    And what does it mean to repent?
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    Sep 6, 2010, 10:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria View Post
    Aha! I think we're getting somewhere!

    That's the Holy Spirit working where?



    And what does it mean to repent?
    To repent means to say and mean it "I am truly sorry for committing the sins I have committed. As Adam said when he broke GOD's LAW. But even though he confessed and repented GOD removed HIS GRACE and condemned to death and since all of man to the original sin. Of course Jesus's (who existed before Adam)sacrifice would have been unnecessary.Could this all done to justify GOD's WILL that Jesus was necessary? Remember GOD has HIS LAWS (the WILL that HE tells us) and HIS Ordained Will(HIS SECRET WILL) see Answer to Job by C.G. Jung in the 1950's. Not that I am saying that this is what happened but I do believe it is an intresting possibility? There are many more intresting theories in that book. Some of which I believe are possible and some of which I have serious doubts about. But the book is very worth reading
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    Sep 7, 2010, 12:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    What a fickle, even mean, guy!
    ASKED who was this guy me or the TRINITY and you answered "the deeming one" I can't believe you meant the TRINITY by the deemed one . PLEASE TELL ME that I misunderstood your answer and you were referring to me by that expression See 43-44\45
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    Sep 7, 2010, 12:25 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    The deeming one.
    THIS is your answer I am questioning . Surely you can't mean THE TRINITY when you answered "the fickle and even mean guy. I pray not
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    Sep 7, 2010, 12:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    What a fickle, even mean, guy!
    This is what I refer to when I asked if you meant me or THE TRINITY and your answer was the deeming one
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    Sep 7, 2010, 06:10 AM
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    This is what I refer to when I asked if you ment me or THE TRINITY and your answer was the deeming one
    Relax. I meant God, and I was being sarcastic. I can't believe you took that comment literally.
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    Sep 8, 2010, 12:01 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Relax. I meant God, and I was being sarcastic. I can't believe you took that comment literally.
    Thank GOD! For that. But you have to be careful HE might not take it that way
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    Sep 8, 2010, 07:36 AM
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    Thank GOD! for that. But you have to be carefull HE might not take it that way
    God knows me very well.
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    Sep 8, 2010, 12:33 PM

    Wondergirl?

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    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    That's not human effort; that's the Holy Spirit at work.
    Aha! I think we're getting somewhere!

    That's the Holy Spirit working where?

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    If they are unrepentant, they are saying "no, thanks."
    And what does it mean to repent?
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    #57

    Sep 8, 2010, 12:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel1st View Post
    To repent means to say and mean it "I am truely sorry for commiting the sins I have commited. As Adam said when he broke GOD's LAW. But eventhough he confessed and repented GOD removed HIS GRACE and condemned to death and since all of man to the original sin. Ofcourse Jesus's (who existed before Adam)sacrifice would have been unnecessary.Could this all done to justify GOD's WILL that Jesus was necessary? Remember GOD has HIS LAWS (the WILL that HE tells us) and HIS Ordained Will(HIS SECRET WILL) see Answer to Job by C.G. Jung in the 1950's. Not that I am saying that this is what happend but I do beleive it is an intresting possibility? There are many more intresting theories in that book. Some of which I beleive are possible and some of which I have serious doubts about. But the book is very worth reading
    Huh? That seems a very different version of the account of which I'm aware. Could you quote the Scripture from which you are getting this interpretation?
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    #58

    Sep 8, 2010, 06:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria View Post
    Huh? That seems a very different version of the account of which I'm aware. Could you quote the Scripture from which you are getting this interpretation?
    That is not from Scripture but from Jung's interpetation of what is in scripture.Get his "Answer to Job" and I believe you will find it intresting . You won't agree with much of it but it may give you a different perspective on it. I was watching a program on the History Channel about GOD and the devil which claimed that all good comes from GOD and all evil comes from the fallen angel in the Jewish Bible,but in JOB it says that the devil couldn't do evil against Job without permission from GOD and GOD gave the OK for the evils to be done. In other words HE allowed the evil to be done to HIS LOYAL SERVANT to prove JOB would not turn against HIM. This to show the loyality of JOB to HIM,but shouldn't of GOD rewarded Job's loyality to HIM by saying to thr devil NO!which would have been a good way to return Job's loyality? You see there are many ways to interpret Scripture.
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    Sep 8, 2010, 06:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel1st View Post
    You see there are many ways to interpet Scripture.
    One must take into account the purpose of a book such as Job and why it was written, if literary devices are used and why, if the characters are invented or real (and if it matters).
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    Sep 8, 2010, 06:49 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel1st View Post
    That is not from Scripture but from Jung's interpetation of what is in scripture.Get his "Answer to Job" and I believe you will find it intresting . You won't agree with much of it but it may give you a different perspective on it. I was watching a program on the History Channel about GOD and the devil which claimed that all good comes from GOD and all evil comes from the fallen angel in the Jewish Bible,but in JOB it says that the devil couldn't do evil against Job without permission from GOD and GOD gave the OK for the evils to be done. In other words HE allowed the evil to be done to HIS LOYAL SERVANT to prove JOB would not turn against HIM. This to show the loyality of JOB to HIM,but shouldn't of GOD rewarded Job's loyality to HIM by saying to thr devil NO!which would of been a good way to return Job's loyality? You see there are many ways to interpet Scripture.
    But only one way that leads to truth. And that is by the tradition of the Catholic Church.
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