[sassyT]

Ok : one again than (what a bad loser you are!)

Secular Humanism
Secular = worldly = no religious links.
Humanism = focus on humans instead of on the supra-natural = no religious links.

Conclusion : Secular Humanism has no links with religion. IT IS NOT A RELIGION.


:rolleyes:

Again this is your belief.
In reality more credible and plausible sources than you have said it is a religion and so it is.

[Credendovidis]

Again this is your belief.
In reality more credible and plausible sources than you have said it is a religion and so it is.

No that is not my belief. Just as Secular Humanism is not a belief.
It is understanding of the English Language and the meaning of individual words.

Why don't you PROVE that the explanations I gave for both Secular and Humanism are intrinsically incorrect ?

Because you can not, is it not ? Another show of your invalid way of argumentation...

:rolleyes:

[sassyT]

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No that is not my belief. Just as Secular Humanism is not a belief.
It is understanding of the English Language and the meaning of individual words.

Lol.. are you serious right now? IS this what you really think secular humanism is? An understanding of the english language? Lol

Why don't you PROVE that the explanations I gave for both Secular and Humanism are intrinsically incorrect ?

I am not even going to waist my time.. lol

[Credendovidis]

i am even going to waist my time

No, actually your are wasting almost every other persons time here...

:rolleyes:

[sassyT]

CREDo's New credo.. All one has to do is add "I believe" in front of (religious) claims to provide them with at least some validity...

I am glad you changed your slogan from that " i will believe when i see it" because it became very apparent that it was not the case. You believe a lot of things that you have not witnessed or seen conclusive evidence for. :)

[Credendovidis]

i am glad you changed your slogan from that " i will believe when i see it" because it became very apparent that it was not the case. You believe a lot of things that you have not witnessed or seen conclusive evidence for. :)

Another of your unsupported belief statements which you insist to be factual. How sad...

:rolleyes:

[sassyT]

Another of your unsupported belief statements which you insist to be factual. How sad ....

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So do you have 100% factual evidence for your wild claims?

[Credendovidis]

so do you have 100% factual evidence for your wild claims?

Now you REALLY start to "sound" stupid : I repeatedly mention that Evolution and the Origin of the Universe are for a major part supported by what I called objected supported evidence , but not 100%.

Your religious ideas so far never have seen any objected supported evidence : not even one single iota of it. All that supports them is subjective observations and feelings of belief.
And I never asked to provide 100% factual evidence for them. Just some objective supporting evidence for the existence of god and for god being the creator. And that in view of your claims that what you BELIEVE is the "one and only truth".

So why do you ask me for 100% factual evidence for my statements? The lack of support from your side is so far sufficient support that you have no objective supporting evidence for your beliefs at all !

:rolleyes:

[sassyT]

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Now you REALLY start to "sound" stupid : I repeatedly mention that Evolution and the Origin of the Universe are for a major part supported by what I called objected supported evidence , but not 100%.

Personal insults are not allowed on this site Credo... you need to keep your emotions under control so we can have a civil adult debate.

Your religious ideas so far never have seen any objected supported evidence : not even one single iota of it. All that supports them is subjective observations and feelings of belief.

Again this i what you have chosen to believe despite the reality..

And I never asked to provide 100% factual evidence for them. Just some objective supporting evidence for the existence of god and for god being the creator. And that in view of your claims that what you BELIEVE is the "one and only truth".

the Objective evidence was given you but because of your zealous BELIEFS you choose to acknowledge the evidence.

So why do you ask me for 100% factual evidence for my statements?

Because you are denying that your claims are BELIEFS and yet you admit the fact that the claims are not factual. :confused:

[Credendovidis]

Personal insults are not allowed on this sit[e Credo... you need to keep your emotions under control so we can have a civil adult debate

That may be true. How "Christian" are you to try to force people into that attitude with your nonsensical, illogical, unfair, ignorant, and intolerant posts?

... the Objective evidence was given you but because of your zealous BELIEFS you choose to acknowledge the evidence.

Already before I told you that you have no idea of what OBJECTIVE means ! Look it up !

Because you are denying that your claims are BELIEFS and yet you admit the fact that the claims are not factual. :confused:

My statements are perfectly correct. I do not claim anything to be the "one and only truth".
I acknowledge the limitations of our knowledge. Where reality fades into subjective thinking.
Unlike a theist like you, who seems to think that if you yell loud and long enough - and be intolerant enough - you can force others to accept your own unsupported religious claims as correct. However take it from me : that does not work !

The only proper way a theist can support his/her subjective religious claims is by being an example of what he/she believes. Your attitude so far on this board has already made many questioning the principles and intentions of that what you are standing for.

:rolleyes:

[sassyT]

Already before I told you that you have no idea of what OBJECTIVE means ! Look it up !

Objective evidence- Information based on facts that can be proved through analysis, measurement, and observation

Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective criticased on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal

Based on that definition I am yet to see any OBJECTIVE evidence from you. You have not provided anything observable or factual evidence for the Big Bang and yet you continue to claim there is objective factual evidence for it. No more theoretical babble please. If you want me stop calling your claims BELIEFS, please give me factual objective evidence.

My statements are perfectly correct. I do not claim anything to be the "one and only truth".

Niether has anyone here... I believe the Bible is absolute Truth By Faith. You Believe the Big Bang is true By FAITH.

I acknowledge the limitations of our knowledge. Where reality fades into subjective thinking.

Therefore you should understand that your beliefs in the big bang are based on Faith not obseverble objective evidence.

Unlike a theist like you, who seems to think that if you yell loud and long enough - and be intolerant enough - you can force others to accept your own unsupported religious claims as correct. However take it from me : that does not work !

Nobody invited you to come on this religious forum, you came by your own will. So no one is forcing their beliefs on you.
You on the other hand, are the one who claims to be non religious and yet you are on a religious forum day in and day out trying to force & shove your beliefs down religious people's throats. Why don't you spend more time on non religious subjects like politics parenting yardwork or something? We theists are not interested in your Athiestic views and beliefs, so please just stop trying to convert us to your faith. We are NOT interested. Sorry

The only proper way a theist can support his/her subjective religious claims is by being an example of what he/she believes. Your attitude so far on this board has already made many questioning the principles and intentions of that what you are standing for.

Again if our Beliefs here offend you, please just end your frustration by unsubscribing from the religious forum.

[Credendovidis]

Based on that definition i am yet to see any OBJECTIVE evidence from you. You have not provided anything observable or factual evidence for the Big Bang ...

There is amply objective supporting evidence available on the Internet and in thousands of books, peer reports, and other publications that confirm the universe being increasingly expanding. Reversing that "film" leads to the valid conclusion that the entire universe originated from one single point, about 14.3 Billion years ago. (The earliest moments of that process of expansion is popular called the "Big Bang").
There are also many other scientific findings that support that same conclusion.
What we do not know is why that point expanded into what we call today "the universe".

That you do not accept the theory is your problem. That you just keep believing in God is just fine with me. Just do not claim it is the "one and only truth", and that it has any influence on - or consequence for - my life, unless you can prove that with objective supported evidence !

As I warned you before : I refuse to react to all parts of your frequently much-too-long reactions full with unsupported babble and wild claims.

Note that the argument has never been the origin of the Big Bang or Evolution. You started that.
The real argument against "creation" has always been the validity of the essence of your religious claim : that there exists a deity called "God", and that this "God" deity is the "Creator".
Never ever has even the smallest iota of objective supported evidence for that wild claim been provided. I challenge you to provide that. I say you can not do so !

And that is why you have to attack views that are in opposition of your religious claims.
Because you seem to be afraid that they challenge all that you believe in.

:D

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[sassyT]

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QUOTE=Credendovidis]There is amply objective supporting evidence available on the Internet and in thousands of books, peer reports, and other publications that confirm the universe being increasingly expanding. Reversing that "film" leads to the valid conclusion that the entire universe originated from one single point, about 14.3 Billion years ago. (The earliest moments of that process of expansion is popular called the "Big Bang").
There are also many other scientific findings that support that same conclusion.
What we do not know is why that point expanded into what we call today "the universe".

And there is also just as much objective supported evidence (available on line and in thousands of books) against the theory, so what? The bottom line is, it is not a FACT period and you believe it anyway. Which means you have faith in the theory.

That you do not accept the theory is your problem(?? :confused:) That you just keep believing in God is just fine with me. Just do not claim it is the "one and only truth", and that it has any influence on - or consequence for - my life, unless you can prove that with objective supported evidence !

Why are you trying to convince me to have the same belief you do?. lol You believe in Evo and the Big Bang, I Believe in Creation... so what? We do not have to believe in the same things. So stop trying to convince me that my beliefs are wrong and that yours are right because there is no proof of that wild claim. :rolleyes:

[Credendovidis]

And there is also just as much objective supported evidence (available on line and in thousands of books) against the theory, so what? the bottom line is, it is not a FACT period and you believe it anyway. which means you have faith in the theory.

There is loads of OBJECTIVE supported evidence that the "Big Bang" happened, about 14.3 Billion years ago. That we do not know why it happened and have only partly an explanation how it happened has little influence on that it happened.

Why are you trying to convince me to have the same belief you do? You believe in Evo and the Big Bang, i Believe in Creation ... so what? we do not have to believe in the same things. So stop trying to convince me that my beliefs are wrong and that yours are right because there is no proof of that wild claim.

I am not trying to convince you at all. The difference between both Evolution and The "Big Bang" against the religious claim of Creation is that Evolution and The "Big Bang" are supported by OBJECTIVE supported evidence (i.e. both are real), against only subjective support for Creation, i.e. Creation is only supported by belief and nothing else.
Believe whatever you like to believe, just do not claim it to be the "truth", unless you can provide objective supported evidence for that !

:rolleyes:

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[shatteredsoul]

So I am just curious... CRED.. since your name means "I believe it as soon as I see it".. how do you believe in love... or being loved.. since you can't see it or can't prove it.. does that mean it doesn't exist??
And if you don't think it exists, that doesn't make it true, it just makes it YOUR PERCEPTION of what YOU THINK is true..

You argue semantics about what has been proven by OBJECTIVE supportive evidence... yet we don't fully understandn NOR CAN WE PROVE 100%
How this universe really came to be in existence.. SO how you can you believe what you don't even have the facts or the evidence to prove its origination of our existence or the universe itself? IT is your belief based on your own faith in the evidence you have been given, nothing has been proven ,otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE..

[sassyT]

So I am just curious... CRED.. since your name means "I believe it as soon as I see it".. how do you believe in love... or being loved.. since you can't see it or can't prove it.. does that mean it doesn't exist?????
And if you don't think it exists, that doesn't make it true, it just makes it YOUR PERCEPTION of what YOU THINK is true..

You argue semantics about what has been proven by OBJECTIVE supportive evidence... yet we don't fully understandn NOR CAN WE PROVE 100%
how this universe really came to be in existence .. SO how you can you believe what you don't even have the facts or the evidence to prove its origination of our existence or the universe itself?? IT is your belief based on your own faith in the evidence you have been given, nothing has been proven ,otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE ..

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Lol... I agree with you. Credo is a self contraction in himself. I think he just a little confused about his beliefs and ideals. :D

[sassyT]

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There is loads of OBJECTIVE supported evidence that the "Big Bang" happened, about 14.3 Billion years ago. That we do not know why it happened and have only partly an explanation how it happened has little influence on that it happened.

FYI that 14.3 billion date is nothing but a wild guess.. lol there is no way to prove it. But you believe it anyway so you have faith. in the unknown... So much for your name... :rolleyes:

I am not trying to convince you at all. The difference between both Evolution and The "Big Bang" against the religious claim of Creation is that Evolution and The "Big Bang" are supported by OBJECTIVE supported evidence (i.e. both are real), against only subjective support for Creation, i.e. Creation is only supported by belief and nothing else.
Believe whatever you like to believe, just do not claim it to be the "truth", unless you can provide objective supported evidence for that !

There is no conclusive irrefutable evidence for niether so stop trying to shove your beliefs down everyone's throat by trying to claim your beliefs are true and have evidence. In reality it is just a thoery that you happen to invest a lot of FAITH in... :rolleyes:

[Credendovidis]

FYI that 14.3 billion date is nothing but a wild guess..l

I stated ABOUT 14.3 Billion. Not 14.3 Billion.
As far as scientific dating technology is concerned : it may not be 100% precise, but it's a lot more accurate than the dating technique used by your buddies of the "Creation Research Institute" and/or "A-in-G" with their approx. 6300 years - a number that is frankly totally ludicrous !

:D :D :D :D :D

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[sassyT]

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I stated ABOUT 14.3 Billion. Not 14.3 Billion

Lol.. But what you don't know is that the earth was dated at 70 million years to begin with then I was changed to billions convieniently to make evolution feasible. The earth could be 500 trillion years old or 6000 years old.. NO ONE KNOWS and there is no way to know.
The reason carbon dating comes up with the billion year dates is because they first ASSUME it is in the Billions as a premise, but they have no way of proving it. Pure Guess work. That all you can do :)

As far as scientific dating technology is concerned : it may not be 100% precise, but it's a lot more accurate than the dating technique used by your buddies of the "Creation Research Institute" and/or "A-in-G" with their approx. 6300 years - a number that is frankly totally ludicrous !

I frankly think the earth is 5 thousand Trillion years... lol That's my guess and it is as good as the scientists' guess.. :D

[Galveston1]

If the Atheist would spend as much time in Bible study as he spends in argument, he could then write a book disproving the Bible. Be aware, though. Several have set out to do so and have become convinced that the Bible really is true! Voltaire tried, Ingersoll tried, Lew Wallace tried. Are you smarter than they were?