The story of creation (gen 1-2:4). What does the passage mean to its original viewers?
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The story of creation (gen 1-2:4). What does the passage mean to its original viewers?
The story of creation (gen 1-2:4). What does the passage mean to its original viewers? What is an equivalent situation today? Does it have specific teachings about god, people, the church? Is there an example? A warning? A promise?
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Originally Posted by Clough
Anywhere and everyone's opinion
It is just a story as there were so many stories around the time it was written. It was intended to provide an explanation for important questions to which at that time no scientifical and reliable answers were available!
So the Judean God was introduced to explain the origin of the universe and life in that universe.
In essence it is an identical process to that of the introduction of gods much earlier in human history for the explanation of earthquakes, vulcano's, flooding, fertility, death and afterlife, etc.
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These are YOUR BELIEFS.. not fact. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
The story of creation in the bible is the story passed down from generation to generation in oral tradition until it was latter put into writing.
Most cultures have a similar ( or somewhat simular) story or tradition, which for me says there is truth in it since it is such a world wide idea.
Also in the bible, to many scholars you will not actually two stories which for some scholars come from when Isreal was divided and latter the ancient writings were found and combined.
It shows to a christian, the power and might of God in the wonders of his work
Not true, sassyT !Quote:
Originally Posted by sassyT
- The Bible is indeed just a story as there were so many stories around the time it was written.
- And it was intended to provide an explanation for important questions to which at that time no scientifical and reliable answers were available!
- And the Judean God was introduced to explain the origin of the universe and life in that universe.
- And in essence it is an identical process to that of the introduction of gods much earlier in human history for the explanation of earthquakes, vulcano's, flooding, fertility, death and afterlife, etc.
These are all facts, long time supported by objective evidence.
You may "colour" those facts with a Christian-religious sauce, but facts they remain. Only your sauce is based on claims...
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[QUOTE=Credendovidis]Not true, sassyT !
Lol.. Credo you are making a purely subjective claims here. What evidence do you have that the Bible is "just stories".Quote:
- The Bible is indeed just a story as there were so many stories around the time it was written.
The Bible is actually a valid historical document. Its historicity has been proven to be consistent with other Historical Documents that have been found. I will give you one example.. It is a historical fact that the Isrealites were held in captivity by the Egyptians as stated in the Book of Exodus. There isrecord of this on Ancient Egptian papyrus written by Egyptians at that time. As a matter of fact, the Egptians even wrote about a series of calamities that Egypt experienced that are consistent with the Bible's account of the 7 Plagues of Egypt sent by God. The Egyptians even wrote about their rivers turning to Blood just like the Bible states.
Read this like on the encyclopedia, particularly the section on Historicity...
Plagues of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Do you have any objective evidence for this claim?Quote:
- And it was intended to provide an explanation for important questions to which at that time no scientifical and reliable answers were available!
Science is actually only beginning to catch up on what God had man record in the Bible from ancient times. The Bible never claims to be a text book on science but when it does speak on nature physics or biology it is absolutely accurate. For example, until recently has man believed the earth was flat and yet the Bible (writen thousands of years before science discovered it) had already established the earth as being spherical.
Read what Isaiah 40:22 says about God and the earth
"He sits enthroned above the sphere of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out.(Isaiah 40:22) This is just one example of the Scientific accuracy of the Bible. So Credo I think you are just really ignorant on the subject of the Bible and its credibility. I think you need to do a little more research before you continue to embarrase yourself.
Yes and this is your belief unless you have objective evidence to prove that God Himself did not inspire the writeing of the Bible.Quote:
- And the Judean God was introduced to explain the origin of the universe and life in that universe.
And how do you know that God does not exist and is a mere man made concept? Do you have evidence? Or do you just believe he does not exist?Quote:
- And in essence it is an identical process to that of the introduction of gods much earlier in human history for the explanation of earthquakes, vulcano's, flooding, fertility, death and afterlife, etc.
Claiming something is fact without providing the evidence that qualifies it as FACT, does not make it a fact Credo. Please provide the Objective evidence for the above claims. Otherwise I will just consider your claims declarations of FAITH.Quote:
These are all facts, long time supported by objective evidence.
You may "colour" those facts with a Christian-religious sauce, but facts they remain. Only your sauce is based on claims...
Creden and Sassy, YOU GUYS ROCK!! Lol
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It is NOT a valid historical document. It is NOT a valid support for religious claims. The bible is full of faults, inaccuracies, and contradictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by sassyT
Just selecting something that suits you does not say anything about the rest of the Bible.
If the bible is the word of your deity, than it should be perfect, and obviously the Bible is not.
SassyT : please restrain your points to max. 2 or 3. May be you have time for endless posts, but I still have a real life off-line...
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:D ;) :) :rolleyes: :o :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Moparbyfar
Like I said before Credo, unless you give me objective supporting evidence for your claim, I will continue to consider the claims as opinions and/or declairations of FAITH. If you want to quallify you beliefs as fact, please provide the appropriate supporting evidence.Quote:
It is NOT a valid historical document.(In Your opinion, not a fact) It is NOT a valid support for religious claims. The bible is full of faults, inaccuracies, and contradictions.
That was just one example of 500 more I can give you. Do you have time?Quote:
Just selecting something that suits you does not say anything about the rest of the Bible.
External evidence from both archaeology and non-Christian writers confirms that the Bible--both Old and New Testaments--is a trustworthy historical document. The internal evidence reveals the Bible IS consistent. The Bible was written by over 40 authors, in 3 languages, on 3 continents, over a span of 1,500 years, and covers hundreds of controversial subjects. Yet, the authors all spoke with agreement; there are NO contradictions. From Genesis to Revelation, there is one unfolding story--God's redemption of mankind.Quote:
If the bible is the word of your deity, than it should be perfect, and obviously the Bible is not.(in your opinion, not fact)
... lol.. mmm... coming from someone who has over 790 posts in just the last 90days, its hard to believe you have a real life off line. :DQuote:
SassyT : please restrain your points to max. 2 or 3. May be you have time for endless posts, but I still have a real life off-line ?????...
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Ok. OK. But I expect board management will not like it very much. Here is a small part of a long list of Bible faults, inaccuracies, and contradictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by sassyT
Lets focus on Gospel Contradictions:
1) How many generations were there between Abraham to David? Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen generations.
2) Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people "to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn’t Paul guilty of deception?
3) When did the leper become not a leper? (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14) Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house. (Mark 1:29-30 & 1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.
4) Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant. (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.
5) Was she dead or just dying? (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead. (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.
6) Just what did Jesus instruct them to take? (Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals. (Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.
7) When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah? (Matthew 11:2-3) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the messiah. (Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah. (John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.
8) Who made the request? (Matthew 20:20-21) Their mother requested that James and John, Zebedee’s children, should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom. (Mark 10:35-37) James and John, Zebedee’s children, requested that they should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.
9) What animals were brought to Jesus? (Matthew 21:2-7) two of the disciples brought Jesus an and a colt from the village of Bethphage. (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt.
10) When did the fig tree hear of its doom? (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple. (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He cursed it before the purging.
11) When did the fig tree keel? (Matthew 21:9) The fig tree withered immediately. And the disciples registered surprise then and there. (Mark 11:12-14 & 20) The morning after Jesus cursed the fig tree, the disciples noticed it had withered and expressed astonishment.
12) Was John the Baptist Elias? "This is Elias which was to come." Matthew 11:14 "And they asked him, what then? Art thou Elias? And he said I am not." John l:21
13) Who was the father of Joseph? Matthew 1:16 The father of Joseph was Jacob. Luke 3 :23 The father of Joseph was Heli. Christians shall try to LIE and tell you that one is the heritage of Mary and the other Joseph. This is utter bull, the Hebrew and Greek cultures NEVER regarded the bloodline of the mother. They were patriarchal societies which only concerned themselves with paternal lineage.
14) How many generations were there from the Babylon captivity to Christ? Matthew 1:17 Fourteen generations, Matthew 1:12-16 Thirteen generations.
15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt. Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.
16) Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount. Luke 6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.
17) John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. Mark 1:14 John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. John 1:43 & 3:22-24
18) What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus? Matthew 15:22 "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil." Mark 7:26 "The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter."
19) How many blind men besought Jesus? Matthew 20:30 Two blind men. Luke 18:35-38 Only one blind man.
20) Where did the devil take Jesus first? (Matthew 4:5-8) The Devil took Jesus first to the parapet of the temple, then to a high place to view all the Kingdoms of the world. (Luke 4:5-9) The Devil took Jesus first to a high place to view the kingdoms, then to the parapet of the temple.
21) Can one pray in public? (Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public prayer. (1 Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged public prayer.
22) If we decide to do good works, should those works be seen? Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works." 1 Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that ... they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation." This contradicts: Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them…that thine alms may be in secret." Matthew 23:3-5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works... all their works they do for to be seen of men."
23) Who did Jesus tell the Lord’s Prayer to? (Matthew 5:1, 6:9-13 & 7:28) Jesus delivered the Lord’s Prayer during the Sermon on the Mount before the multitudes. (Luke 11:1-4) He delivered it before the disciples alone, and not as part of the Sermon on the Mount.
24) When was Christ crucified? Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour and they crucified him." John 19:14-15 "And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your king…Shall I crucify your king?" John 19:14-15.
25) The two thieves reviled Christ. (Matthew 27:44 & Mark 15:32) Only one of the thieves reviled Christ. Luke 23:39-40.
26) In 1 Corinthians 1:17 ("For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize but to preach the gospel") Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them…" Clearly one of these people is wrong, either way, it’s a contradiction.
27) When did Satan enter Judas? Satan entered into Judas while at the supper. John 13:27 Satan entered Judas before the supper. Luke 23:3-4 & 7
28) How many women came to the sepulcher? John 20:1 Only one woman went, Mary Magdalene. Matthew 28:1 Mary Magdalene and the "other Mary" (Jesus’ mother) went.
29) Mark 16:2 It was sunrise when the two women went to the sepulcher. John 20:1 It was still dark (before sunrise) when Mary Magdalene went alone to the sepulcher.
30) There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulcher and they were standing up. Luke 24:4 There was only one angel seen and he was sitting down. Mark 28:2-5
31) How many angels were within the sepulcher? John 20:11-12 two, Mark 16:5 one.
32) The Holy Ghost bestowed at Pentecost. Acts 1:5-8 & 2:1-4 The holy Ghost bestowed before Pentecost. John 20:22
33) Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples? In a room in Jerusalem. Luke 24:32-37 On a mountain in Galilee. Matthew 28:15-17
34) Where did Christ ascend from? From Mount Olivet. Acts 1:9-12 From Bethany. Luke 24:50-51
35) Can all sins be forgiven? (Acts 13:39) All sins can be forgiven. Great, I’m happy to know God is so merciful, but wait (Mark 3:29) Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.
36) The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the final days of the world. (Matthew 11:12-14) Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 17:12- 13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come, and everyone understood him to mean John the Baptist. (Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come. (John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.
37) Who purchased the potter’s field? Acts 1:18 The field was purchased by Judas. John 20:1 The potter’s field was purchased by the chief priests.
38) Paul’s attendants heard the miraculous voice and stood speechless. Acts 9:7 Paul’s attendants did not hear the voice and were prostrate. Acts 22:9 & 26:14
39) Who bought the Sepulcher? Jacob, Josh 24:32 Abraham, Acts 7:16
40) Was it lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death? "The Jews answered him, we have a law, and by our law he ought to die." John 19:7 "The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death." John 18:31
41) Has anyone ascended up to heaven? Elijah went up to heaven: "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11 "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man." John 3:13
42) Is scripture inspired by God? "all scripture is given by inspiration of God." 2 Timothy 3:16 compared to: "But I speak this by permission and not by commandment." 1 Corinthians 7:6 "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord." 1 Corinthians 7:12 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord" 2 Corinthians.
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Ok. OK. But I expect board management will not like it very much. Here is a small part of a long list of Bible faults, inaccuracies, and contradictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by sassyT
Lets focus on Historical Bible Errors :
Deut. 18: 21-22, "21 And you may say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord God has not spoken?' 22 When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken ...."
Num. 23: 19, "19 God in not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should repent: has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will not make it good?"
I Sam. 15: 29, "29 And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind."
Many have heard these passages read in their churches, and have read it for themselves in the bible. This is the measure to use in measuring any statement, because it is apparent that God would not inspire a vain pronouncement. Unfortunately, there are such vain pronouncements and prophecies in the bible. We will look at the false pronouncements of the Book of Ezekiel. The pattern I will follow is to quote the verses in question, and provide an observation based on easily attainable historical information, and provide a conclusion based on the truth. I have no reason to lie about what follows, the bible itself proves its own unreliability. I have even incorporated several apologetics, and pointed out their mistakes; judge for yourself.
Ezekiel 26: 1-13, "Now it came about in the eleventh year ... that the word of the Lord came to me saying, 2 son of man, because Tyre said concerning Jerusalem ... 3 therefore, thus says the Lord God, 'Behold I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring up many nations against you, ... 4 and they will destroy the walls of Tyre and break down her towers' ... 7 for thus says the Lord God, 'Behold I will bring upon Tyre from the north Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings ... 9 and the blow of his battering rams he will direct against your walls, and with his axes he will break down your towers. 10 ... when he enters your gates as men enter a city that is breached, 11 with the hoofs of his horses he will trample all your streets. He will slay your people with the sword; and your strong pillars will come down to the ground. 12 Also, they will make a spoil of your riches and a prey of your merchandise, break down your walls and destroy your pleasant houses, and throw your stones and your timbers and your debris into the water. 13 So I will silence the sound of your songs, and the sound of your harps will be heard no more. 14 ... for I the Lord have spoken,' declares the Lord God."
Apologetic: Several. The most bizarre is the appealing that the Persian Empire forced Tyre to submit.
Rebuttal: The prophecy had nothing to do with Persia, it was about Nebuchadnezzar, a specific Babylonian king. Persia would have yet to arise.
Observation: This passage clearly has God saying that Nebuchadnezzar would move against Tyre and successfully lay siege to the city and sack it so completely that it would be utterly destroyed; but that never happened, Tyre withstood Nebuchadnezzar siege for years, and in the end the Babylonian king withdrew. Check out an encyclopedia for more information on Nebuchadnezzar failure to sack Tyre. Even for those who refuse to look outside the bible for information on the ancient world, cannot change the FACT, that even the bible does not admit that the prophecy came true.
Conclusion: According to the measure of Moses, this is a false prophecy.
Eze. 29: 18, "18 Son of man, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon made his army labor hard against Tyre; every head was made bald, and every shoulder was rubbed bare. But he and his army has no wages from Tyre for the labor that he had performed against it."
Apologetic: Few. The most common is that Nebuchadnezzar changed his mind, after Tyre submitted to him.
Rebuttal: The prophecy had stated that he would destroy Tyre, not come to an agreement with it. The prophecy has the population of Tyre destroyed in the streets by the army of Nebuchadnezzar, that never happened.
Observation: This is a direct contradiction of the previous passage. God supposedly prophesied all kinds of horrors for Tyre and its population at the hand of Nebuchadnezzar, and now God cannot make it come to pass! This passage proves the prophecy of Ezekiel 26: 1-13 to be errant, and therefore the bible errant. This passage supports the information that can be found in any good encyclopedia.
Conclusion: According to the measure of Moses, the previous was a false prophesy.
Eze. 29: 1-19, "In the tenth year ... the word of the Lord came upon me saying, 2 'son of man, set your face against Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and prophesy against him and against Egypt ... 9 and the land of Egypt will become a desolation and waste. Then they will know that I am the Lord ... 11 ... and it will not be inhabited for forty years. 12 So I shall make the land of Egypt a desolation in the midst of cities that are laid waste, will be desolate for forty years, and I shall scatter the Egyptians among the nations and disperse them among the lands ... 15 It will be the lowest of the kingdoms; and it will never again lift itself up above the nations' ... 19 Therefore, thus says the Lord God, 'Behold, I shall give the land of Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. And he will carry off her wealth, and capture her spoil, and seize her plunder; and it will be wages for his army.'"
Apologetic: None offered to date.
Rebuttal:
Observation: This prophecy has several major problems: v. 9 is false, Egypt was never turned into a desolate waste: v. 12 is false, Egypt was not made desolate, and her people were never scattered among the nations; v. 15 is false, Egypt would know great power and wealth under the Ptolemies, and Egypt would be the grain basket for the ancient world, and its city of Alexandria was the greatest city in the Hellenistic world; v. 19 is simply untrue, Nebuchadnezzar never got into Egypt, never carried off her wealth, or her spoil, or plundered her to pay his army. Read up on it is any encyclopedia. Even for those who refuse to look outside the bible for information on the ancient world, cannot change the FACT, that even the bible does not admit that the prophecy came true.
Conclusion: According to the measure of Moses, this is a false prophecy.
Eze. 30: 10-12, "10 Thus says the Lord God, 'I will also make the multitude of Egypt cease, by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. 11 He and his people with him, ... will draw their sword against Egypt and fill the land with the slain. 12 Moreover, I will make the land desolate, and all that is in it, by the hand of strangers; I the Lord have spoken.'"
Apologetics: Prove he did not destroy Egypt.
Rebuttal: There is no evidence that Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Egypt, such a major event could not have been hidden from history. Read up on Egyptian history and check under the history of Egypt during the NeoBabylonian period. Even the bible does not admit to the fulfillment of this prophecy, and considering that the Greeks were trading in Egypt, they make no mention in any of their writings to such an event.
Observation: Nebuchadnezzar never butchered off the Egyptian population, he never managed to get into Egypt, his army was not strong enough for the task. Egypt was never made desolate. Read up on it in any encyclopedia. Even for those who refuse to look outside the bible for information on the ancient world, cannot change the FACT, that even the bible does not admit that the prophecy came true.
Conclusion: According to the measure of Moses, this is a false prophecy.
So who are you going to believe? Your preacher? Your bible? Moses? The facts? That I leave to you, it is sufficient that the bible was proved to be in error, that prophecies attributed to God, were false words put into His mouth. The bible itself fails to admit that any of the above actually came to pass, and in the case of Ezekiel chapters 26 and 29, a direct contradiction between prophecy and event is established. If these prophecies reflect the type of information prophets like Ezekiel preached, it is no wonder they ended up dead when the prophecy was shown to be false. According to Moses, false prophets were to be stoned, and if Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel preached errors like this, Moses himself would have stoned them as frauds.
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Ok. OK. But I expect board management will not like it very much. Here is a small part of a long list of Bible faults, inaccuracies, and contradictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by sassyT
Lets focus on Bible contradictions and other Errors :
Contradictions
2 Kings 8:26 says "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..." 2 Chronicles 22:2 says "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."
2 Samuel 6:23 says "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death" 2 Samuel 21:8 says "But the king took...the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul"
2 Samuel 8:3-4 says "David smote also Hadadezer...and took from him...seven hundred horsemen..." 1 Chronicles 18:3-4 says "David smote Hadarezer...and took from him...seven thousand horsemen..."
1 Kings 4:26 says "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots..."
2 Chronicles 9:25 says "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots..."
2 Kings 25:8 says "And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month...Nebuzaradan...came...unto Jerusalem" Jeremiah 52:12 says "...in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month...came Nebuzaradan...into Jerusalem"
1 Samuel 31:4-6 says "...Saul took a sword and fell upon it. And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead and...died with him. So Saul died..." 2 Samuel 21:12 says "...the Philistines had slain Saul in Gilboa."
Gen 2:17 says "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day thou eastest thereof thou shalt surely die [note: it doesn't say 'spiritual' death] Gen 5:5 says "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."
Matt 1:16 says, "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus..." Luke 3:23 says "And Jesus...the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli"
James 1:13 says "..for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
Gen 22:1 says "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham..."
Gen 6:20 says "Of fowls after their kind and of cattle [etc.]... two of every sort shall come unto thee... " Gen 7:2,3 says "Of every clean beast thou shall take to thee by sevens... Of fowls also of the air by sevens... "
Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." John 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
Gen 32:30 states "... for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." John 1:18 states, "No man hath seen God at any time... "
Factual Errors
1 Kings 7:23 "He made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." Circumference = Pi() x Diameter, which means the line would have to have been over 31 cubits. In order for this to be rounding, it would have had to overstate the amount to ensure that the line did "compass it round about."
Lev 11:20-21: "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you." Fowl do not go upon all four.
Lev 11:6: "And the hare, because he cheweth the could... " Hare do not chew the cud.
Deut 14:7: " "...as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof." For the hare this is wrong on both counts: Hare don’t chew the could and they do divide the "hoof."
Jonah 1:17 says, "...Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights" Matt 12:40 says "...Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly..." whales and fish are not related
Matt 13:31-32: " "the kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed which…is the least of all seeds, but when it is grown is the greatest among herbs and becometh a tree." There are 2 significant errors here: first, there are many smaller seeds, like the orchid seed; and second, mustard plants don't grow into trees.
Matt 4:8: " Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them." Unless the world is flat, altitude simply will not help you see all the kingdoms of the earth.
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Credo, I thought you had a life off line..? Geees... I read the first two centences and just got tired.
Since you seem to have a lot of time on your hands and I don't, sorry, so I will just give you links to websites that address your supposed "contradictions". Its a lot of reading but after you read these sites you will know that the Bible has ZERO contradictions.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaur...adictions.html
Are There Contradictions in the Bible?
Contradictions in the Bible
Debate Topics: Apologetic
Bible and Theology Answers - ChristianAnswers.Net
Bible Contradiction, How did Judas die, by hanging or falling down? Matthew 27:3-8 and Acts 1:16-19
Bible Contradictions Answered
BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS ANSWERED -- Biblical Errors Mistakes Difficulties Discrepancies Countered
After you have read all these and you still think there are contradictions. Please start a new thread about Bible contradictions and I can help you clear you miss understanding.
P.S please site your sources because I know you did not come up with all that you probably copied and pasted someone's work without giving them credit. That is called Plagerism and it is forbidden on this site. Please review terms and conditions of this site.
Thank you for your worries about my supposed plagiarism (not spelled Plagerism - you should have studied English).Quote:
Originally Posted by sassyT
And I note that you fail to acknowledge the essence of my argument (posted on your own request) : that many of these contradictions, mistakes, historical faults etc are indeed in the Bible.
Even if they can be "explained" at one of your suggested websites, the point is this :
If the Bible is the book by God for all human beings, and that God is all powerful and omniscient, etc. than why does the Bible contain so many of these faults?
Note that these faults are not translation faults. Neither are they printing faults. They are faults that are the result of different human scribents introducing some story they heard earlier into their paper that later was used to make up the Bible.
A deity that is claimed to be perfect and that is claimed to have created the entire universe with everything in it in 6 days only, seems incapable of producing fault free Bibles in all languages that every human being can understand without the need for a weekly interpreter located in a big house with a huge tower on top of it...
What a poor qualities for a deity that is claimed to be "perfect"!!
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Crede and Sassy,
I find your discussion very interesting but if you two could start a new thread please.
I have suggested that to sassyT earlier in many threads. All I got back was some sneer, after which he/she continued with replies containing so many quotes that the essence of the argument totally went lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by firmbeliever
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