[speechlesstx]

Ah, so you have none to abide by?

[Wondergirl]

Ah, so you have none to abide by?

Again I ask, which rules are you referring to?

[Wondergirl]

I'm really starting to like this man:

"It was a terrorist attack. It wasn't the result of a mob being excited. It was a group of jihadists who were well-armed and well-trained and well-equipped, and they decided to attack the consulate in Benghazi and try and kill people. That's far different from what happened in Cairo, where a mob was whipped into a frenzy by these people who were talking about this so-called movie that insults Mohammed."

As for the Obama administration's handling of the crisis, McCain was almost entirely positive. "I think it was fine. By the way, Secretary of State Hilary Clinton gave a marvelous statement today," said McCain. He did not offer such praise for the Romney campaign's statements on the events. (ABC News)

[speechlesstx]

Specifically, the one here that says "Do not disparage any member publicly on the forums. If you state that you disagree with the answer of another member, please explain why politely."

I explained myself numerous times, justified my answer, supplied my source and attempted to get back on topic only to be accused of deliberate deception by you anyway. I think being called a liar, especially after having shown I'm not, definitely qualifies.

I'm done with this thread, obviously having a mature discussion is out of the question.

[Wondergirl]

Specifically, the one here that says "Do not disparage any member publicly on the forums. If you state that you disagree with the answer of another member, please explain why politely."

I explained myself numerous times, justified my answer, supplied my source and attempted to get back on topic only to be accused of deliberate deception aby you nyway. I think being called a liar, especially after having shown I'm not, definitely qualifies.

I'm done with this thread, obviously having a mature discussion is out of the question.

I disparaged you? Called you a liar? I tried to keep the discussion fair.

[NeedKarma]

Specifically, the one that says "Do not disparage any member publicly on the forums. If you state that you disagree with the answer of another member, please explain why politely."

Does that rule apply to yourself as well? Or just to us?

[tomder55]

There ya go with that context thing again.

I watched the interview. President Obama said the U.S. would not consider Egypt an ally, "but we don't consider them an enemy." He continued with the explanation that Egypt is a "new government that is trying to find its way."

That's just the President voting ' present' again. Mitt said that the adm sends mixed signals.. there you go.

[excon]

Hello again:

I don't know what's troubling you righty's so much... I thought you didn't LIKE the Muslim Brotherhood... Now that Obama is moving AWAY from them, you think they're great...

I can't figure you out..

excon

[Wondergirl]

That's just the President voting ' present' again. Mitt said that the adm sends mixed signals ..there ya go.

Sort of like this? "I really enjoy reading your posts, Tom, but sometimes I want to reach into my monitor and strangle you, but then, as I get to know you better, that may change."

[tomder55]

Hello again:

I dunno what's troubling you righty's so much... I thought you didn't LIKE the Muslim Brotherhood... Now that Obama is moving AWAY from them, you think they're great....

I can't figure you out..

excon

What makes you think he's moving away from them ? That phone call he made to Morsi ? Lol .
This is the White House version :
"The President made his point that we've been committed to the process of change in Egypt, and we want to continue to build with the Egyptian government"
That doesn't sound like he moving in his position at all . That sounds like Candidate Obama being aware that the melt down in the ummah ; and the fervent anti-Americanism is a direct threat to his reelection theme related to foreign policy that he has restored American prestige and defeated the jihadists.

Morsi is a committed member of the Brotherhood .The Brotherhood instigated the protests (and cooperated in the commando style raid that killed Amabassador Stevens ). The immam at Cairo University (where the President made his address during his apology tour ) endorses the protests and the pogroms against the Copts . The President is delusional to think that a phone call to Morsi from Air Force One ,in between campaign stops, can turn back the rising tide.

[tomder55]

Sort of like this? "I really enjoy reading your posts, Tom, but sometimes I want to reach into my monitor and strangle you, but then, as I get to know you better, that may change."

And words have real meanings in diplomacy .

[Wondergirl]

and words have real meanings in diplomacy .

Was I diplomatic? :) Good example?

[tomder55]

No ;the President's words. Romney's charges was the adm is sending mixed signals . He's correct. In one sentence ,the President proved his point.

[talaniman]

The recent middle east unrest reminds me of the struggles of another young new nation that had challenges to build after years of being told what to do, and how to do it. The Good Old USA! How quickly we forget all the blood we ourselves have shed, on the path to freedom.

Of course you righties have no sympathy for the growing pains of new democracies, and think that unless its an instant success, it's a failure. They just have a ways to go, and indeed, so do we.

[tomder55]

So you are OK with our embassies being over-run and our Ambassador ambushed and murdered ? Ok

[TUT317]

That's just the President voting ' present' again. Mitt said that the adm sends mixed signals ..there ya go.

Quoting out of context, contextomy-call it what you like but it does not excuse it.

If it was his intention to send, "mixed signals" then the second part of the quote should be included to demonstrate this point.. The partial quote gives the impression of a concrete position.


Tut

[talaniman]

so you are ok with our embassies being over-run and our Ambassador ambushed and murdered ? Ok

I never said it was okay, those are your words.I said it was COMMON for new governments to go through this period of chaos. That's why I used us as an example because we had our own history of senseless violence and mistakes.

Lets be real as there is a vacuum of authority, and responsibility that's being exploited by dissidents in the middle east, fostered by decades of dictators, who took no prisoners, and they are no longer there. The new governments are weak and we have seen this in all governments through out history.

Have you forgotten the struggles of Eastern Europe when the Soviets splintered?

[tomder55]

Quoting out of context, contextomy-call it what you like but it does not excuse it.

If it was his intention to send, "mixed signals" then the second part of the quote should be included to demonstrate this point.. The partial quote gives the impression of a concrete position.


Tut

The complete quote was the mixed signal. It doesn't take much.. Ambassador April Gilespi once told Saddam Hussein that the US had no opinion on his border disputes with Kuwait .That sent a wrong signal . Had she said that the US would not tolerate his move on Kuwait ,then the Gulf War may have been prevented .
In context ;out of context... his statement was feckless and weak... not a strong leader at all.

[tomder55]

I never said it was okay, those are your words.I said it was COMMON for new governments to go thru this period of chaos. Thats why I used us as an example because we had our own history of senseless violence and mistakes.

Lets be real as there is a vacuum of authority, and responsibility thats being exploited by dissidents in the middle east, fostered by decades of dictators, who took no prisoners, and they are no longer there. The new governments are weak and we have seen this in all governments thru out history.

Have you forgotten the struggles of Eastern Europe when the Soviets splintered?

And I'll remind you in case you have forgotten that I was more than willing that we assist the new democracy in Iraq in their infancy ;but it was Obama and Evita that cut the rug out of our assistance to them .I'll also remind you that it is Obama who threw his support behind the Brotherhood ;a terrorist organization .

[TUT317]

the complete quote was the mixed signal. It doesn't take much .. Ambassador April Gilespi once told Saddam Hussein that the US had no opinion on his border disputes with Kuwait .That sent a wrong signal . Had she said that the US would not tolerate his move on Kuwait ,then the Gulf War may have been prevented .
In context ;out of context .... his statement was feckless and weak....not a strong leader at all.

Hi Tom,

I'm not disputing your judgement on the politics. In fact I would tend to agree with you.

Out of context it is a definitive statement. In context it would be a mixed message.

Tut