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tomder55 · Jan 17, 2013, 12:41 PM

Already stipulated

Wondergirl · Jan 17, 2013, 01:15 PM

How would that work for a private sale, say, between neighbors?

cdad · Jan 17, 2013, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Can we all agree that all firearms sales should involve a background check and a paper trail?

No I can't agree with that. I don't support national gun registration. I do support the background checks that many states do on the local level. But there really is no need for a paper trail.

talaniman · Jan 17, 2013, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

No I can't agree with that. I dont support national gun registration. I do support the background checks that many states do on the local level. But there really is no need for a paper trail.

So there are no people in Texas and Florida taking car loads of guns to Chicago or New Jerey and selling them to bad guys?

excon · Jan 17, 2013, 02:17 PM

Hello:

I'm not into registration either. I WOULD be in favor of requiring a gun owner to have INSURANCE. I don't know if Obama proposed that. IF that had been the case in Newtown, the family's would have gotten SOMETHING. As it stands now, they got bupkus.

No, they can't sue the maker of the gun. Somehow, the gun industry ISN'T liable under product liability laws. You know, the laws that say if the manufacturer of a CRIB hurts your baby, you can sue.. But, you can't if your baby is riddled with holes..

Do you think the NRA had something to do with getting that law changed??

excon

cdad · Jan 17, 2013, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello:

I'm not into registration either. I WOULD be in favor of requiring a gun owner to have INSURANCE. I dunno if Obama proposed that. IF that had been the case in Newtown, the family's would have gotten SOMETHING. As it stands now, they got bupkus.

No, they can't sue the maker of the gun. Somehow, the gun industry ISN'T liable under product liability laws. You know, the laws that say if the manufacturer of a CRIB hurts your baby, you can sue.. But, you can't if your baby is riddled with holes..

Do you think the NRA had something to do with getting that law changed???

excon

Im not sure which law your talking about. There has been lawsuits against gunmakers when it was thought the product was faulty. Just as your crib example.

cdad · Jan 17, 2013, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

So there are no people in Texas and Florida taking car loads of guns to Chicago or New Jerey and selling them to bad guys?

If you know those people then please turn them in. They are breaking federal law by doing it.

paraclete · Jan 17, 2013, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

There you go 'clete, when they run out of arguments they attack you.

Well of course karma but they always want to kill the messenger.

The issue has gone from gun ownership to violence which is the typical buckpassing argument of the NRA, they have done a good job of brainwashing, I expect that is why there are so many guns in circulation/

tomder55 · Jan 17, 2013, 03:30 PM

Was the gun defective like the crib ? No it wasn't . It goes back to the cliché I don't really care for 'people kill people'. If I drove into you ,intent to hurt you ,you would not have a case against Toyota .

If the mom had not been killed ,then she could've been sued for negligence depending on the state laws for safe storage. That would be easy to show causation . I don't know what type of estate she left behind . I imagine that will go to whatever settlement there will be .

paraclete · Jan 17, 2013, 03:39 PM

What is defective about the gun, Tom, and particularly the gun used in Newtown is that it is designed to kill many at one time. Therefore the Gun in the person of its manufacturer has the same case to answer as the person who pulled the trigger. Those who designed the gun, manufactured it and sold it are equally cupable, accessories before the fact. If you could just grasp that point the population would flee from guns and manufacture would decline, we would literally beat our swords into plowshares and I say hasten the day

Wondergirl · Jan 17, 2013, 03:42 PM

The gun did what it was designed to do, and did it very well. And it's okay that Americans have the right to own one just like it? For what purpose?

paraclete · Jan 17, 2013, 03:45 PM

That truly is the question for what purpose do americans find the need to possess semi automatic weapons and high load clips, when are they going to confront rampaging zombies or hoards of native americans. I have news for you the British aren't coming again and nor are the Russians and I doubt the Chinese have any interest in destroying their biggest market

tomder55 · Jan 17, 2013, 04:06 PM

Good ,change the constitution as Rubio suggested .

paraclete · Jan 17, 2013, 04:12 PM

You see Tom the groundswell is beginning

cdad · Jan 17, 2013, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

That truely is the question for what purpose do americans find the need to possess semi automatic weapons and high load clips, when are they going to confront rampaging zombies or hoards of native americans. I have news for you the British arn't coming again and nor are the Russians and I doubt the Chinese have any interest in destroying their biggest market

Here are 2 of many reasons.

1) cyote hunting.

2) wild boar hunting.

Both of these animals when left untended can destroy very many animals or crops.

Aside from those there are many that are volunteer LEO's in their local areas that perform ride alongs and also patrol during times of civil unrest.

Your thinking is tunnelvision driven by your past. When might you open your mind to the fact that there are people that recreationaly shoot guns and also participate in shooting events?

It may not be your cup of tea but why do you want so badly to deny others?

Wondergirl · Jan 17, 2013, 04:17 PM

And so my Chicago suburban, 80-90 IQ friend owns an AK-47, and it stands in his closet waiting for civil unrest to occur or a wild boar to run through his yard -- or his mother to get on his nerves one more time.

cdad · Jan 17, 2013, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

what is defective about the gun, Tom, and particularly the gun used in Newtown is that it is designed to kill many at one time. Therefore the Gun in the person of its manufacturer has the same case to answer as the person who pulled the trigger. Those who designed the gun, manufactured it and sold it are equally cupable, accessories before the fact. If you could just grasp that point the population would flee from guns and manufacture would decline, we would literally beat our swords into plowshares and I say hasten the day

The original design of the gun used doesn't resemble in function the original design of the gun. When first issued it was during the vietnam war era and was a fully automatic weapon. Later it was derated to be a semi auto sporting rifle. Worlds apart from its original design other then the look of it.

cdad · Jan 17, 2013, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And so my Chicago suburban, 80-90 IQ friend owns an AK-47, and it stands in his closet waiting for civil unrest to occur or a wild boar to run through his yard -- or his mother to get on his nerves one more time.

Since your friend is in Chicago my bet would be on the civil unrest before the boar ;)

Wondergirl · Jan 17, 2013, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

Since your friend is in Chicago my bet would be on the civil unrest before the boar ;)

He'd be the last person I would want to see shooting that thing. His judgment is very iffy. And his mother does a good job of irritating him on a regular basis.

The only good reason he might have to use it would be to pick off a coyote munching on his mother's Pomeranian in their upscale, leafy suburb.

talaniman · Jan 17, 2013, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

If you know those people then please turn them in. They are breaking federal law by doing it.

A paper trail could help the cops and prosecute the perps. Especially a national paper trail.