Check out some similar questions!

talaniman · Jun 29, 2016, 07:36 AM

DEAR CLETE,

Do you hear yourself? These people who have lived peacefully have no place to go?! They can go to their peaceful Christian lands they came from can't they? To add what about the Muslims who have lived peacefully in Christian lands? What entitles YOU to bully and oppress them? Or even demand they assimilate to YOU, or suffer YOUR punishment?

Living in peace for them is just not enough for you is it? They must do as you tell them too!

LOVE

T

PS,

Yes, love to you Clete, because hating you would be a perfect waste of time. You really should try some gratitude and enjoy the blessing of happiness because living in FEAR, is such a drag!

paraclete · Jun 29, 2016, 04:52 PM

Tal you miss the point I don't live in fear, fortunately they have not reached critical mass where I live and I want my fellow counterymen to live the same way. You think they live in peace but they do not. They send their support to groups to Daesh, they allow young men to go back to these places to fight, Ah, it's a waste of time talking to you

Wondergirl · Jun 29, 2016, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Tal you miss the point I don't live in fear, fortunately they have not reached critical mass where I live and I want my fellow counterymen to live the same way. You think they live in peace but they do not. They send their support to groups to Daesh, they allow young men to go back to these places to fight, Ah, it's a waste of time talking to you

That's not happening in Chicagoland. At least 500,000 Muslims live among us. They send their children to our schools, shop at the same grocery stores we do, perform random acts of kindness, have library cards, and work for and volunteer at area libraries. I've found them to be hard workers, interested in education and life around them, and, best of all, blending in while sharing their culture.

paraclete · Jun 29, 2016, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

That's not happening in Chicagoland. At least 500,000 Muslims live among us. They send their children to our schools, shop at the same grocery stores we do, perform random acts of kindness, have library cards, and work for and volunteer at area libraries. I've found them to be hard workers, interested in education and life around them, and, best of all, blending in while sharing their culture.

Good luck with that, our experience has been different, we find there is a definite criminal element among them, so much so that if you examine the incident reports, there are certainly disproportunate numbers of people with a middle eastern background, we have found they have taken over motorcycle gangs and are heavly involved in drugs and general criminality. Who do you think run the people smuggling gangs? They don't send their people to our schools, they establish islamic schools which have been found to rort the funding system. I have pakistani christians among my extended family, people who have lived among muslims all their lives and they ask how is it you would allow muslims to migrate to your country? We have had teenage muslim rapist gangs, frankly it isn't worth the angst

talaniman · Jun 30, 2016, 05:08 AM

What do you expect from a country built on criminals and immigrants? Your melting pot needs more heat and stirring before the fine points of integration can fully occur. A long way to go before a demand for assimilation is credible.

Take heart, you are not alone in that aspect as we all should just cool expectations of our perfect societies.

paraclete · Jun 30, 2016, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

What do you expect from a country built on criminals and immigrants? Your melting pot needs more heat and stirring before the fine points of integration can fully occur. A long way to go before a demand for assimilation is credible.

Take heart, you are not alone in that aspect as we all should just cool expectations of our perfect societies.

Hey the so called criminals were poor who had to steal to survive often transported for stealing food because the capitalist society they lived in couldn't care less and the migrants were invited not people who just invited themselves. They dumped them here because they couldn't dump them there. I don't expect a perfect society, but the ethos of this place is different and it is a great shame the British didn't recognise it we didn't have much european migration until after WWII
So the people here are much more British and Irish than they might be there. The indigenous people don't want more settlers, they think they have enough already and frankly I agree with them, so we are not looking to create an underclass of peons and the great experiment of multiculturalism is failing

talaniman · Jun 30, 2016, 08:57 AM

Multiculturalism as you call it, only fails when the strong, defined as dominant, demand the weak, defined as new immigrants who have little or nothing, ASSIMILATE, instead of co operate to the benefit of both.

Why have you abandoned your Christian teaching of TOLERANCE?

smoothy · Jun 30, 2016, 10:28 AM

Seriously have to disagree with you on that point Tal...

The key to success in any Society is assimilation and conforming to the norm of that area, in Speech, behaviour and Dress.

People want workers that "Fit in". Marching to your own drummer carries a high price to those who choose to follow that road.

This is 90% of the problem of certain inner city communities, that "just don't get it" why nobody will hire them, even though they were born and raised here by someone else who was born and raised here too.

There is a big difference between Tolerance and , " Bend over and spread them".

cdad · Jun 30, 2016, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Multiculturalism as you call it, only fails when the strong, defined as dominant, demand the weak, defined as new immigrants who have little or nothing, ASSIMILATE, instead of co operate to the benefit of both.

Why have you abandoned your Christian teaching of TOLERANCE?

Could it be that he has reason to believe that there is something twisted going on in the background. Have a look for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQ

oh yeah and the moderates too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utua-xyPNsU

Do you agree with this too ?

Or is this something you want in your neighborhood?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PybcNf-s_Y8

Wondergirl · Jun 30, 2016, 01:37 PM

And the Christians:

https://youtube.com/#/watch?v=pnVK_BvtZSo

cdad · Jun 30, 2016, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And the Christians:

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=pnVK_BvtZSo

Your link went nowhere.

Wondergirl · Jun 30, 2016, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by cdad

Your link went nowhere.

Sorry. It works on my Kindle. Try this link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnVK_BvtZSo

Apparently, Baptist preachers especially are the ones preaching anti-gay sermons to their flocks.

paraclete · Jun 30, 2016, 04:11 PM

Why have you abandoned your Christian teaching of TOLERANCE?

Because my faith doesn't tell me to tolerate evil, it says come out from among them, in fact I think is says have nothing to do with the evildoer. I don't want to be tolerated, I want to be accepted, surely it is the same for migrants and the way to be accepted is to learn the customs and language

cdad · Jun 30, 2016, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Sorry. It works on my Kindle. Try this link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnVK_BvtZSo

Apparently, Baptist preachers especially are the ones preaching anti-gay sermons to their flocks.

And your point is? From what I see that video and that person is getting a lot of backlash from the community for what he had said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S-Jw0pjXp0

Where is the condemnation of what the imam said? In my opinion if they want to preach hatred in this fashion then they need to be placed under scrutiny. I'm just calling it as I see it.

Wondergirl · Jun 30, 2016, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by cdad

And your point is?

My point is, certain Muslims aren't the only ones spewing messages of hate.

paraclete · Jun 30, 2016, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

My point is, certain Muslims aren't the only ones spewing messages of hate.

Well you are right even US presidential candidates are not immune to it. What we have to come to is a realisation that there is a lot of resentment within the muslim community and it has been building for a long time because the world just hasn't been listening to them. At the same time, they are not listening to us.

What you truly have here is a clash of ideology. The values of the Islamic religion are diametrically opposed to the values of western secular society, every thing we do is an offense to them, whether it is recognition of homosexuality, freedom of women, our financial system, marriage, democracy, equality, but we think, in our idiocy, that we can change them, all we have done is create a backlash.

It is not hate speech to point out the obvious, even if you don't want to hear it.

Wondergirl · Jun 30, 2016, 08:36 PM

In the US, conservative white males are also against those things you listed.

paraclete · Jun 30, 2016, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

In the US, conservative white males are also against those things you listed.

There are people who don't consider me conservative, but I'm against pandering to homosexuals and other minorities, I see no point in changing the definition of marriage, I'm not against the freedom of women, or equality, the financial system or democracy. My views are diametrically opposed to Islam. Islamic migration and islamic fundamentalism, but I'm also opposed to big government, multiculturalism and multinationalism. This doesn't put me in the pocket of any political party, not yours or my own. I respect fairness and I expect the nation to have a social conscience and look after its own before being involved in foreign endeavours