[Wondergirl]

If its not... then why is it ONE religion exclusively doing it? And why is everyone in that religion that does it... say it is. Misquided....certainly, but they aren't all stupid, and they aren't all brainwashed. Many of them are educated enough to prove they know exactly what they are doing. So you can't blame it all on Imams.

And the majority of Muslims aren't involved, and some are even victims themselves.

[paraclete]

And the majority of Muslims aren't involved, and some are even victims themselves.

I think that is called collateral damage and no jihadist has ever been concerned about it

[talaniman]

I think that is called collateral damage and no jihadist has ever been concerned about it

That would be true of any invading army in history, not just the small sample size of the present.

[paraclete]

So there we have it Tal admits to the presence of an invading army.

[talaniman]

Yes, one that fights guerilla style with few soldiers but huge impact. TERRORIST tactics that are most effective.

[smoothy]

And the majority of Muslims aren't involved, and some are even victims themselves.

And not every member of MS13 , or other gangs participate in every crime either. So should THEY be treated the same way? Maybe we should start Treating the KKK, and the Mafia like that too...they certainly aren't any worse as a group.

[smoothy]

Obama was claiming ISIS was contained shortly before the latest attacks in France. For the benefit of those who harped on Bush for his mission accomplished speech after which NO terrorist attacks occurred.

~http://Interview video of OWEbama cl...cks in France.

[Wondergirl]

And not every member of MS13 , or other gangs participate in every crime either. So should THEY be treated the same way? Maybe we should start Treating the KKK, and the Mafia like that too...they certainly aren't any worse as a group.

Did we kill them all or send them somewhere far away?

Sort out the peaceful Muslims from the terrorist Muslims.

[smoothy]

Did we kill them all or send them somewhere far away?

Sort out the peaceful Muslims from the terrorist Muslims.

WHo gets to make THAT decision... the people that just Ok'd a huge number of the same terrorists into OUR country as caused this in France?


And yes... at LEAST one of them carried a Syrian passport.

The UK appears to be the only intelligent led country in the western hemisphere right now....actively blocking these miscreants from entry.

[Wondergirl]

WHo gets to make THAT decision... the people that just Ok'd a huge number of the same terrorists into OUR country as caused this in France?

How do you tell the good ones from the terrorists?

[smoothy]

How do you tell the good ones from the terrorists?

You can't... so you do what is right, and keep them all out. None of them are worth the life of ONE person who belongs here

Everyone else who came here legally...had to be vetted and checked out before being allowed in.

Notice I said legally....none of the street urchins Obama decreed to be let in were admitted legally. And none were vetted.

And everyone who voted for Obama has blood on their hands if a single one of this new wave of undesirables he commanded to be let in without vetting commits a single murder or terrorist act.

[Wondergirl]

What about vetted ones who kill?

[smoothy]

What about vetted ones who kill?

There are far fewer of those BECAUSE we kept out criminals and those with known ties to them. The unvetted ILLEGALS commit crimes at a far higher rate.

[tomder55]

Let's go children of the fatherland,
The day of glory has arrived!
Against us tyranny's
Bloody flag is raised! (repeat)
In the countryside, do you hear
The roaring of these fierce soldiers?
They come right to our arms
To slit the throats of our sons, our friends! Grab your weapons, citizens!
Form your batallions!
Let us march! Let us march!
May impure blood
Water our fields!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1q9Ntcr5g

[paraclete]

Let's go children of the fatherland,
The day of glory has arrived!
Against us tyranny's
Bloody flag is raised! (repeat)
In the countryside, do you hear
The roaring of these fierce soldiers?
They come right to our arms
To slit the throats of our sons, our friends! Grab your weapons, citizens!
Form your batallions!
Let us march! Let us march!
May impure blood
Water our fields!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1q9Ntcr5g

Yes Tom long overdue the flag should be raised against the tyanny of the jihadist against the tyranny of the Muslim

[tomder55]

And the majority of Muslims aren't involved, and some are even victims themselves.

it's not the majority .....reactionary movements and revolutionary movements rarely are the majority initially .

But it's worse than you think .

Muslim Opinion Polls - Challenging the 'Tiny Minority of Extremists' Myth

[tomder55]

I still don't understand the Jihadi hard-on for the French. They have been particularly incensed with Paris for the entire time I've been watching them (all the way back to Achille Lauro) ​Is it historical? Is it just that the French present a softer target? Anyone have any insights?

Earlier this year, following the Charlie Hebdo massacre and related terrorist attacks in and around Paris, I wrote Islam and Free Speech, a “Broadside” that is part of the series published by Encounter Books. The following is an excerpt.
How did we get to this historical anomaly in France where, as the estimable scholar Daniel Pipes observes, “a majority population accepts the customs and even the criminality of a poorer and weaker community”? It is the result of a conquest ideology taking the measure of a civilization that no longer values its heritage, no longer regards itself as worthy of defense.
France’s population of 66 million is now approximately 10 percent Islamic. Estimates are sketchy because, in a vestige of its vanishing secularist tradition, France does not collect census data about religious affiliation. Still, between 6 and 7 million Muslims are reasonably believed to be resident in the country (Pew put the total at 4.7 million back in 2010 – other analysts peg it higher today). To many in France, the number seems higher, due to both the outsize influence of Islamist activists on the political class and the dense Muslim communities in and around Paris – approximating 15 percent of the local population. An online poll conducted by Ipsos Mosi in 2014 found that the average French citizen believes Muslims make up about a third of the country’s population.
As night follows day, when Muslim populations surge, so does support for jihadism and the sharia supremacist ideology that catalyzes it. The reason is plain to see, even if Western elites remain willfully blind to it: For a not insignificant percentage of the growing Muslim millions in Europe, infiltration – by both mass immigration and the establishment of swelling Islamic enclaves – is a purposeful strategy of conquest, sometimes referred to as “voluntary apartheid.”
One of its leading advocates is Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi. A Qatar-based Egyptian octogenarian, Qaradawi is a Muslim Brotherhood icon. He is a copiously published scholar graduated from Cairo’s al-Azhar University, the seat of Sunni Islamic learning for over a millennium, and thus oversees both the International Union of Muslim Scholars and the European Council for Fatwa and Research. Thanks to his pioneering of the highly trafficked IslamOnline website and, especially, to his hugely popular al-Jazeera television program, Sharia and Life, he has become the world’s most influential sharia jurist.
Qaradawi is the sharia backbone of the violent jihad to exterminate Israel – a tiny country surrounded by hundreds of millions of hostile Muslims. The sheikh also vows that Islam will “conquer” both Europe and America, but acknowledges that this conquest will require a strategy more suited to a determined minority that knows it cannot win by force of arms. The key, he asserts, is dawa, the Muslim equivalent of proselytism. In radical Islam, it is hyper-aggressive, pushing on every cultural cylinder, pressuring every institution, and exploiting the atmosphere of intimidation created by jihadist terror to blur the lines between legal advocacy and extortion.
In France, dawa presses against laïcité, the credo of secularism through the strict separation of religion and the state. Qaradawi is quite clear that “secularism can never enjoy a general acceptance in an Islamic society.” He is equally adamant that Muslims, who are bound to live in accordance with the strictures of sharia, must reject a secular framework because “acceptance of secularism means abandonment of sharia, a denial of the divine guidance and a rejection of Allah’s injunctions.” Thus, he elaborates, “The call for secularism among Muslims is atheism and a rejection of Islam. Its acceptance as a basis for rule in place of sharia is downright apostasy.”
This nexus between free speech and Western democracy is worth pausing over. Notice that, in focusing on the incompatibility between Islamic law and democracy’s secular, pluralist underpinnings, Qaradawi draws the inevitable conclusion that democracy equals apostasy. The term apostasy is not invoked idly in radical Islam. As explained in Reliance of the Traveller, a classic sharia manual endorsed by al-Azhar scholars, the renunciation of Islam is a death penalty offense.
Free speech does not exist in a vacuum. It is the plinth of freedom’s fortress. It is the ineliminable imperative if there is to be the robust exchange of knowledge and ideas, the rule of reason, freedom of conscience, equality before the law, property rights, and equality of opportunity. That is why it must be extinguished if there is to be what Qaradawi calls a “place of religion” – meaning his religion. For all its arrogance and triumphalist claims, radical Islam must suppress speech because it cannot compete in a free market of conscience.
To sustain their movement, therefore, Islamist leaders must separate Muslims from secular society. In the West, this means forming Islamic enclaves in which sharia gradually takes root as the de facto and, eventually, the de jure law – enabling Muslims to resist the challenge of critical thinking under the guise avoiding the near occasion of apostasy. Over time, dominion is established over swaths of not only physical territory but legal privilege. Qaradawi puts the matter succinctly:

Were we to convince Western leaders and decision-makers of our right to live according to our faith — ideologically, legislatively, and ethically — without imposing our views or inflicting harm upon them, we would have traversed an immense barrier in our quest for an Islamic state.

The key to the conquest strategy is to coerce the West into accepting a Muslim right to resist assimilation, to regard sharia as superseding Western law and custom when the two conflict. For precisely this reason, the Organization of Islamic Cooperation – a bloc of 56 Muslim countries (plus the Palestinian Authority) – has decreed that “Muslims should not be marginalized or attempted to be assimilated, but should be accommodated.” Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Islamist president of Turkey who has systematically dismantled that country’s secular, pro-Western system, similarly pronounces that pressuring Muslims to assimilate in the West “is a crime against humanity.”
Free expression is the gateway to assimilation. Consequently, radical Islam cannot tolerate it.
As a result, France is now rife with Zones Urbaines Sensibiles – “sensitive urban areas.” The government officially lists some 751 of them: Islamic enclaves in the banlieues, often referred to as “no go zones” because the indigenous populations discourage the presence of non-Muslims who do not conform to Islamic standards of dress and social interaction, and of public officials – police, fire-fighters, emergency medical teams, and building inspectors – who are seen as symbols of the state’s effort to exercise sovereignty in areas Muslims seek to possess adversely.
Some of these zones inevitably evolve into hotbeds of jihadist activity. As the Gatestone Institute’s Soeren Kern notes, there has been no shortage of Internet traffic suggesting, for example, “the killing of France’s ambassadors, just as the manly Libyan fighters killed the U.S. ambassador in Benghazi.” In a low-intensity jihadist thrum stretching back several years, the torching of automobiles has become a commonplace – as many as 40,000 cars burned annually. Perhaps most alarmingly, over a thousand French Muslims, more than from any other Western country, are estimated to have traveled to Syria to fight for ISIS – meaning many will return to the country as trained, battle-hardened jihadists. Beyond the direct ISIS participants, moreover, the Washington Post has reported that a recent poll found 16 percent of French citizens expressing some degree of support for ISIS – an organization whose rule over the vast territory it has seized is best known for decapitations, rapine, the execution of homosexuals, mass graves, and the enslavement of non-Muslim communities.
Once one grasps the voluntary apartheid strategy, it becomes obvious why radical Islam’s inroads in France, and elsewhere in Europe, seamlessly translate into demands for the enforcement of sharia’s curbs on speech and artistic expression. What is not so obvious is just how profound a challenge to the West this constitutes.

How France Became an Inviting Target of the Jihad | Ordered Liberty

[tomder55]

Did we kill them all or send them somewhere far away?

Sort out the peaceful Muslims from the terrorist Muslims.

The dilemma the West now faces is that it cannot survive on the basis of the platform which its elites have carefully constructed since WW2. They are being beaten to death with their own lofty statements. They must either continue to uphold the vision of open borders, multiculturalism, declining birthrates, unilateral disarmament and a growing state sector at all costs — in other words continue on the road to suicide — or retreat. As recent events at American campuses have shown, when faced with the choice of saving the Left and saving the actual world, the odds are that “the world” goes over the side first.

Paris attack forces West to look political orthodoxy in the face | Belmont Club#

What about vetted ones who kill?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/par...l-says-n463526

[paraclete]

it's not the majority .....reactionary movements and revolutionary movements rarely are the majority initially .

But it's worse than you think .

Muslim Opinion Polls - Challenging the 'Tiny Minority of Extremists' Myth

I don't know than it is worse than I think Tom, I think that behind any muslim there stands the potential to engage in the mob mentality. What do you think the indoctrination of years of reciting a particular phase does?

Sort out the peaceful Muslims from the terrorist Muslims

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Wondergirl you have to get past the idea that they are peaceful I have said for a long time they represent a fifth column in western societies. You have seen how they behave in their own lands, what makes you think they will be different elsewhere? They want to turn every society they come in contact with into a clone of the place where they came from, some sort of sharia utopia where women are second class citizens. They possess no will to oppose the hardliners among them

[catonsville]

I don't know than it is worse than I think Tom, I think that behind any muslim there stands the potential to engage in the mob mentality. What do you think the indoctrination of years of reciting a particular phase does?

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Wondergirl you have to get past the idea that they are peaceful I have said for a long time they represent a fifth column in western societies. You have seen how they behave in their own lands, what makes you think they will be different elsewhere? They want to turn every society they come in contact with into a clone of the place where they came from, some sort of sharia utopia where women are second class citizens. They possess no will to oppose the hardliners among them

DAMN Straight George. My daughter went to college with a Muslim girl and were best of friends but as soon as she married that friendship was over not on my daughters part either. My daughter was very upset about it, there were gifts to her kids , etc. I guess the faith is stronger than friendship with a non-Muslim.
We are so PC, I just noticed when I printed out non-muslim as I just did it was underscored as incorrect. So much sucking up to those people, sickening. If any one on here takes offense to what I have said, "Go Pound Sand".