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paraclete · Nov 13, 2015, 05:08 PM

Violence has once again shattered the peace in Paris. We are uncertain of the motives of the terrorists involved but once again Paris is at the centre

Paris shootings: many dead in multiple attacks

The number killed and held hostage supasses anything the French have experienced and brings a reaction of closing the borders, which seems a little like shutting the stable door but then perhaps they want to make sure no one gets out. We must stand in solidarity with the French as they respond to these acts.

smoothy · Nov 13, 2015, 05:37 PM

How many people besides me and you are NOT surprised this is happening again?

I keep waiting for it to start in the UK. What's probably saved them this far is they have very good intelligence services in the UK and they have probably curbed it before it got far enough along.

Fr_Chuck · Nov 13, 2015, 05:44 PM

If they get the results they want, it will be happening all over the world.

paraclete · Nov 13, 2015, 07:42 PM

France has a large Muslim population, we don't know what the source of this is yet, the UK would be very wary after the London bombing and their borders are better controlled. It is already happening all over the world, just not quite so obvious, this may even have been an assassination attempt on Hollande, he was in the stadium that was attacked.

Europe has opened itself to this behaviour by allowing large scale migration which is actually inexplicable, they are now trying to return africans to africa which will require reversal of many EU policies. It just doesn't pay to be prosperous

smoothy · Nov 13, 2015, 08:26 PM

Be careful clete... you are going to be called a bigot and a racist for pointing this out. That's what I've been called recently in more than one thread for even suggesting this. They are the most docile and peace loving people on earth don't you know.

paraclete · Nov 14, 2015, 12:13 AM

I'm actually following the French ambassador in the opinion that muslims will be at the centre of this and he has promised swift and terrible retribution. Smoothy it wouldn't be the first time that someone suggested that my opinions are racist and bigoted, however, I will call it as I see it. When someone can tell me that no muslim has ever taken a life on religious grounds, I might be able to revise my opinion of the 1,400 year old death cult. What I know is this, what is on the leadership comes down on the followers.

"Cette fois, c'est la guerre" #LeParisien

Catsmine · Nov 14, 2015, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by smoothy

They are the most docile and peace loving people on earth don't you know.

Ahh! The sarcasm! It buuuuurns! Actually that was well played, Smooth.

With the AP reporting that one of the thugs at the concert hall said "This is for Syria" the Muslim attribution is pretty solid. I still don't understand the Jihadi hard-on for the French. They have been particularly incensed with Paris for the entire time I've been watching them (all the way back to Achille Lauro) Is it historical? Is it just that the French present a softer target? Anyone have any insights?

paraclete · Nov 14, 2015, 04:16 AM

Well IS has affronted the wrong people, the French are not known for their tolerance and should France put troops on the ground to confront IS, it is overdue and like the situation in Iraq we will stand with them. This Muslim aggression, and to say otherwise is to be blind, must be answered decisively. I say this is Muslim aggression because the members of IS are supported across the world and their supporters cannot stay hidden. We know Saudi Arabia and the gulf states have supported them and this must stop ,so must Iranian support of the Syrian regime. This war must stop and IS be annilihated

smoothy · Nov 14, 2015, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by Catsmine

Ahh! The sarcasm! It buuuuurns! Actually that was well played, Smooth.

With the AP reporting that one of the thugs at the concert hall said "This is for Syria" the Muslim attribution is pretty solid. I still don't understand the Jihadi hard-on for the French. They have been particularly incensed with Paris for the entire time I've been watching them (all the way back to Achille Lauro) Is it historical? Is it just that the French present a softer target? Anyone have any insights?

This isn't as simple as most people try to make it. Meaning its not because of one or two simple things... this is the result being taught to hate everything Western from cradle to grave. They can never be appeased as long as any other religion except THEIR particular version of Islam exists. Odd since the west is where so many chose to go, then they try to turn it into a version of what they have already left.

tomder55 · Nov 14, 2015, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Catsmine

Ahh! The sarcasm! It buuuuurns! Actually that was well played, Smooth.

With the AP reporting that one of the thugs at the concert hall said "This is for Syria" the Muslim attribution is pretty solid. I still don't understand the Jihadi hard-on for the French. They have been particularly incensed with Paris for the entire time I've been watching them (all the way back to Achille Lauro) Is it historical? Is it just that the French present a softer target? Anyone have any insights?

No the French are not soft .The French were battling jihadistan long before it became popular here . Charlie Hebdo was attacked by Algerian jihadists . France has been at war with Algerian jihadists since the 1950s. in 1956 France had about 400,000 troops fighting counter insurgency operations there ;and it was brutal . The war lasted until 1962 . Algeria got it's independence ;France got it's refugee and Muslim migration problem. The French being the European country that inherited Syria ,and Lebanon after WWI get attacked by Muslims over their colonial past too.

But even before that ;the French(Franks ) stopped the conquest of Europe by the jihadist horde in 732 Battle of Tours. Had they not won the battle ,Western culture would've died that day. We all owe deep gratitude to Frankish leader Charles (the hammer ) Martel .
As you know ,the Muslims have long memories.
There are other issues ... the French in their attempt to make the country totally secular did stuff like ban wearing face-veils in public. That did not please the Muslims .

Catsmine · Nov 14, 2015, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

No the French are not soft .

You missed the point of my question. By "softer target," I meant "easier." Highly restricted personal arms, a high immigrant population to hide within, open borders: is Paris a softer target than, say, Berlin or Rome?

The historical answer does seem to hold merit.

smoothy · Nov 14, 2015, 11:00 AM

https://vid.me/0uIZ

Religon of peace my sweet patootie.

This could just as easily be next door or down the street from any of you.

talaniman · Nov 14, 2015, 11:00 AM

Just to add to Tom's great historical post,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerxes_I

And

Imperial History of the Middle East

smoothy · Nov 14, 2015, 11:08 AM

Earlier Arab invasions and conquest of NON-muslim territory takes away any moral high road they ever had..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E...Byzantine_wars

talaniman · Nov 14, 2015, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by smoothy

https://vid.me/0uIZ

Religon of peace my sweet patootie.

This could just as easily be next do or down the street from any of you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

WAR AND WORLD RELIGIONS

BBC - Religions - Christianity: War

smoothy · Nov 14, 2015, 11:22 AM

What year is this now... when did THOSE occur.

Its OK within certain circles that the Muslims raped, murdered and pillaged taking over territory that was never muslim and forced its inhabitants to convert or die... for well over a thousand years

Yet go on and on nit picking about any thing Judeo-Christians ever did... most of which was in response to Islamic incursions into their territory. Which apparently is OK with them.

And its happening NOW in Europe and elsewhere.

Just an FYI.....Muslims don't like or suffer atheists any more than they do other religions. Meaning they aren't getting a free pass or mercy.

tomder55 · Nov 14, 2015, 11:24 AM

Highly restricted personal arms

sure could've used some conceal and carry patrons in the Batclan as the jihadists slowly reloaded their weapons .

Paris is the ultimate 'sanctuary city ' they have scores of Muslims ;especially from North Africa. They are different in their immigration in that they do not look at their country as a melting pot. Immigrants live neighborhoods where they impose sharia at will . Many of these neighborhoods are unofficially considered 'no go zones ' .Any 'policing' is done by the thugs.

The word banlieue ("suburb") now connotes a no-go zone of high-rise slums, drug-fueled crime, failing schools and poor, largely Muslim immigrants and their angry offspring. The banlieues erupted in 1981 and in 2005, when rioters burned hundreds of cars and President Nicolas Sarkozy threatened to clean out the area with a high-pressure hose. He did not mention that the vast majority of its residents are French citizens, speak perfect French and, unlike his father, were born in France

https://newrepublic.com/article/1207...ional-identity

It is not just Paris however . This is happening all over Europe.

European 'No-Go' zones. Fox apologized for saying they exist. But do they? | Vlad Tepes

LiveLeak.com - various videos showing Paris being ransacked by N African youth

LiveLeak.com - Riots and violence escalate in Belgian Muslim suburb after police attempt arrest

LiveLeak.com - video and current news about the Muslim riots in Trappes, France

LiveLeak.com - large scale rioting spiraling out of control in Sweden

smoothy · Nov 14, 2015, 11:29 AM

Exactly .. give them an inch and they take a mile.

If they want Sharia... they can move back to the Middle east.

That region is such a desirable utopia because of it that people are flocking there to be oppressed.

Wondergirl · Nov 14, 2015, 12:38 PM

Do you think religion ("Worship Allah!") is just the umbrella reason, the excuse? What's really going on?

smoothy · Nov 14, 2015, 12:45 PM

If its not... then why is it ONE religion exclusively doing it? And why is everyone in that religion that does it... say it is. Misquided....certainly, but they aren't all stupid, and they aren't all brainwashed. Many of them are educated enough to prove they know exactly what they are doing. So you can't blame it all on Imams.