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    #21

    Sep 21, 2013, 03:54 AM
    Yes lawlessness abounds, I wonder why? Too many freedoms?
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    #22

    Sep 21, 2013, 03:57 AM
    Lol yeah that's the ticket... for a post constitutional society
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    #23

    Sep 21, 2013, 04:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    lol yeah that's the ticket ... for a post constitutional society
    Pre-constitutional society as well. Not really that funny.
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    #24

    Sep 21, 2013, 05:58 AM
    You are already in a post constitutional society
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    #25

    Sep 21, 2013, 07:38 AM
    What the gun grabbers aren't smart enough to grasp. Is how easy it is for anyone with the most basic of metalworking skills to make a gun from scratch using scrap metal that works.

    And quite frequently the criminals did exactly that even through the 1960's.
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    Sep 21, 2013, 07:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    What the gun grabbers aren't smart enough to grasp. Is how easy it is for anyone with the most basic of metalworking skills to make a gun from scratch using scrap metal that works.
    Why on earth would anyone want to make a gun?
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    #27

    Sep 21, 2013, 07:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Why on earth would anyone want to make a gun?
    Because they can? Because they work? Lots of reasons


    Research Zip guns... or improvised firearms.

    Lots of people made them... a lot of them weren't even criminals. A 12 year old could make one.

    They sometimes aren't safe... they are never legal... but they are easy to hide because depending on how crude you make it... they can look like something else.


    Just pointing out the futility of disarming the public...
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    #28

    Sep 21, 2013, 07:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Because they can? Because they work? Lots of reasons


    Research Zip guns....or improvised firearms.

    lots of people made them....a lot of them weren't even criminals. a 12 year old could make one.
    Nah. I'd rather teach them quilting or how to sew on buttons correctly (or decent grammar and spelling).
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    #29

    Sep 21, 2013, 07:52 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Nah. I'd rather teach them quilting or how to sew on buttons correctly (or decent grammar and spelling).
    Just saying the average 12 year old with any mechanical aptitude can figure it out on their own... WITHOUT the internet or plans.

    And I know they were pretty common in the 50's from what my dad told me. And he wasn't even one of the criminal element even in his youth.
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    #30

    Sep 21, 2013, 07:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Just saying the average 12 year old with any mechanical aptitude can figure it out on their own.....WITHOUT the internet or plans.
    He needs to learn how to make brownies instead.
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    #31

    Sep 21, 2013, 07:57 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    He needs to learn how to make brownies instead.
    Kids will be kids... and what you don't know they are doing sometimes would scare the hell out of you.
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    #32

    Sep 21, 2013, 08:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Kids will be kids....and what you don't know they are doing sometimes would scare the hell out of you.
    Like my class of third grade boys who were avidly studying the encyclopedia (much to my happiness), until I figured out they were looking up Renaissance portraits of nude women.
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    #33

    Sep 22, 2013, 02:43 AM
    On Aug. 7, that same Alexis had called police from a Newport, R.I. Marriott. He was hearing voices. Three people were following him, he told the cops. They were sending microwaves through walls, making his skin vibrate and preventing him from sleeping. He had already twice changed hotels to escape the men, the radiation, the voices.

    Delusions, paranoid ideation, auditory (and somatic) hallucinations: the classic symptoms of schizophrenia.

    So here is this panic-stricken soul, psychotic and in terrible distress. And what does modern policing do for him? The cops tell him to “stay away from the individuals that are following him.” Then they leave.
    Charles Krauthammer: The real Navy Yard scandal - The Washington Post
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    #34

    Sep 22, 2013, 04:52 AM
    Shame the president couldn't take time out from his apolitical, non partisan rant to acknowledge the tragedy. Or that the media didn't take time to get the facts before starting their anti-assault weapons narrative or that the SWAT team was told to stand down, or especially as tom noted the cops didn't see a problem with this guy's mental state.
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    #35

    Sep 22, 2013, 05:58 AM
    acknowledge the tragedy
    But which one?
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    #36

    Sep 22, 2013, 07:56 AM
    Lets hope this is one import we can stay away from.

    59 killed in Kenya mall attack, 49 missing
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    #37

    Sep 22, 2013, 11:48 AM
    "import"?
    What does that mean?
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    #38

    Sep 22, 2013, 12:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    "import"?
    what does that mean?
    Import means to "bring in". As in I hope they don't decide to try this here.
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    #39

    Sep 22, 2013, 03:33 PM
    This sort of thing happens all over, suicide bombers targeted a church in Pakistan killing as many and any refugee or migrant can be a potential attacker. How do you stop it, with porous borders and millions of refugees world wide
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    #40

    Sep 23, 2013, 06:35 AM
    University of Kansas associate professor David Guth had something to special to add to the discussion, wishing death on the children of NRA members.

    #NavyYardShooting The blood is on the hands of the #NRA. Next time, let it be YOUR sons and daughters. Shame on you. May God damn you.
    — David Guth (@DWGuth) September 16, 2013
    Never fear, KU officials took swift action and put him on paid leave. And Guth had more to say...

    "If you look at how I structured the statement, I didn’t really bring [the NRA’s) children into it,” he said, according to Fox4KC. “I carefully structured the statement to make it conditional, but apparently it was too much of a nuance for some people.

    “I don’t want anybody harmed. If somebody’s going to be harmed, maybe it ought to be the people who believe that guns are so precious that it’s worth spilling blood over,” Guth added, according to Fox4KC. Guth did not immediately respond to a request for comment from HuffPost.
    I see, Yes, "Next time, let it be YOUR sons and daughters. Shame on you. May God damn you" is just too nuanced . He also added this about his 'punishment.'

    "I have had conversations with the university and have agreed to this action -- an administrative leave with pay -- in light of the abusive email threats I and others have received. It is in it the best interests and peace of mind of our students that I remove myself from the situation and let cooler heads prevail. It is unfortunate that my comments have been deliberately distorted. I know what I meant. Unfortunately, this is a topic that generates more heat than light. I don't think any further comment would be appropriate at this time."
    And that's how many ant-gun zealots want to 'discuss' a guaranteed right, with a little 'nuance.' Of course I expect many of you to also brush off the fact that too many tenured professors like Guth are 'educating' our children and there's usually not much universities can do about it, even if they wanted to.

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