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    Aug 20, 2013, 07:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    I think you meant to say Natural gas....LPG is liquified Petroleum Gas (known as Propane) a byproduct of oil.

    Gasoline can be produced from Natural gas or coal...just not as cheaply as from crude oil.
    We refer to it as LPG when used to drive vehicles we have both natural gas and coal seam gas anyway the point is there are parts of the world where vehicles are gas fueled but we have not adopted it
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    Aug 21, 2013, 03:19 AM
    Tom we have vast reserves of LPG but no wish to run our vehicles on "gas",
    Why not ? It burns clean .
    We have vast reserves of uranium and so should develop electric power and alternatives to today's battery technology
    Of course ,modern designed breeder reactors are the way to go .
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    Aug 21, 2013, 05:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Why not ? It burns clean
    Convenience, you have to fill up more often and there have been some unfortunate incidents.

    Of course ,modern designed breeder reactors are the way to go .
    I agree but we are slow adopters atomic energy hasn't got beyond the experimental stage here, cost, nuclear has a higher long run cost than coal, and waste disposal, no one wants it in their back yard,besides we now have a million homes with solar, so no need for new power stations
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    Aug 21, 2013, 06:33 AM
    convenience, you have to fill up more often and there have been some unfortunate incidents
    That's where that vaunted infrastructure investment makes sense . There aren't many liguified gas autos here ,but in many places mass transit has converted .
    and waste disposal, no one wants it in their back yard,
    Yes we are plagued by NIMBYism too. The good news is that Fast Breeder reactors recycle the nuke waste ,and there is very little disposal.
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    #25

    Aug 21, 2013, 10:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    We refer to it as LPG when used to drive vehicles we have both natural gas and coal seam gas anyway the point is there are parts of the world where vehicles are gas fueled but we have not adopted it
    There is LPG and LNG. Most that run in industry are LPG based. LNG is also used in some cars but you have to have a place to get it as it is not a readily available as LPG. LNG can be made by compressing natural gas into a liquid. They use that same technique in home units to power cars as they refuel overnight.
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    #26

    Aug 21, 2013, 10:39 AM
    Owebamas Brother linked to the Muslim Brotherhood.


    NEW YORK – President Obama's half-brother in Kenya could cause the White House more headaches over new evidence linking him to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and establishing that controversial IRS supervisor Lois Lerner signed his tax-exempt approval letter.

    Malik Obama's oversight of the Muslim Brotherhood's international investments is one reason for the Obama administration's support of the Muslim Brotherhood, according to an Egyptian report citing the vice president of the Supreme Constitutional Court of Egypt, Tehani al-Gebali


    Obama's brother linked to Muslim Brotherhood
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    Aug 21, 2013, 10:49 AM
    Hehe.. WND.. that'll rot your brain.
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    Aug 21, 2013, 10:50 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Hehe..WND..that'll rot your brain.
    NPR, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC is what rots the brain...
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    #29

    Aug 21, 2013, 10:54 AM
    "Get off my lawn!"

    :D
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    Aug 21, 2013, 10:55 AM
    I haven't finished yet... where did I put that roll of paper at? :)
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    #31

    Aug 21, 2013, 10:58 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Hehe..WND..that'll rot your brain.
    No more than MSNBC will.
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    #32

    Aug 21, 2013, 11:00 AM
    One name... John Edwards... how many of the experts of the left wing media were defending him and for how long after the National Enquirer broke the news of his fooling around?

    At least Bill Clinton had the common sense to not knock them up.
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    Aug 21, 2013, 03:13 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    One name........John Edwards......how many of the experts of the left wing media were defending him and for how long after the National Enquirer broke the news of his fooling around?

    At least Bill Clinton had the common sense to not knock them up.
    You think Bill Clinton had common sense, he debased the office of President, what a dill! At least Edwards did what he did as a private citizen
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    #34

    Aug 21, 2013, 03:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You think Bill Clinton had common sense, he debased the office of President, what a dill! at least Edwards did what he did as a private citizen
    Oh trust me I didn't think he had much... not then.. not now. He just had more than Edwards had.
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    #35

    Aug 21, 2013, 07:33 PM
    So Egypt is getting more violent and so is Syria, will they use gas in Egypt I wonder and could the gas used in Syria be part of Saddam's stockpile?
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    #36

    Aug 21, 2013, 07:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    So Egypt is getting more violent and so is Syria, will they use gas in Egypt I wonder and could the gas used in Syria be part of Saddam's stockpile?
    It is... we've always known much of Saddam's stuff crossed that border.
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    #37

    Aug 21, 2013, 09:08 PM
    So you are saying Syria doesn't possess any WMD of its own Considering that Iraq was invaded because of the presence of these weapons can we expect invasion of Syria anytime soon or has the US retreated from its policy of pre-emptive strikes.
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    #38

    Aug 21, 2013, 09:42 PM
    Both Egypt, and Syria refused to sign an international treaty to ban the use of Sarin gas. Both are known too have huge stockpiles. The question in Syria is who is using it and is it just to bring in others to help the rebels, and until Egypt gets its brotherhood problem solved there can be no peace. You better hope the Egyptian army succeeds.
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    #39

    Aug 21, 2013, 10:07 PM
    I think they have the capability of succeeding, there are probably less arms floating around there and while the country is large the habitation is really concentrated and more capable of being controlled. The Muslim Brotherhood would need outside help to get something going that has any chance of success.

    I don't think there is any question in Syria as to who is using it, it is being delivered by artillery. Assard is proving that Shiites are capable of anything
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    Aug 22, 2013, 02:46 AM
    The question in Syria is who is using it and is it just to bring in others to help the rebels
    Yup.. it smells like a false flag to me . Assad's forces are winning . Why would he risk international reaction with a chemical attack ?

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