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Jul 26, 2013, 10:39 AM
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Did the adm try to blame the attack on a Youtube video ? Did the adm try to cover up the circumstances ? Did the administration make the survivors swear to secrecy ? Were those attacks sustained attacks over a 9 hr period where 3 of the dead could've been rescued ? Was an American ambassador targeted and killed ?
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Jul 26, 2013, 01:47 PM
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That would be a no, no, no, no and another no.
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Jul 26, 2013, 02:05 PM
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More Obama 4.0...
All righty then.
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Jul 26, 2013, 02:59 PM
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Ok, as far as failures goes and something he has the power to do something about is the economy. What I find most confusing is how he talks the talk of raising the middle class but at the same time tightens the noose of government regulation and becomes anti industry to those that could grow our economy. Many middle class workers come from the coal fields yet he seeks to shut them down. It appears that when something is truly successful he wants to knock it down. But if its something he "believes" in then its all hands on deck. He keeps picking failures in his job creation scheme.
Will the economy bounce back. Yeah it will on its own through natural forces. The difference is he can either nurture those forces or choose to inhibit them. If he could just learn to talk to you rather then at you it would be a big help. We need to turn this country around but we can't so long as everything that works is demonic and everything that doesn't is manna from heaven.
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Jul 26, 2013, 03:33 PM
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More Obama 4.0...
Quote:
Uh Ho: Obama Says Vietnamese Dictator Inspired by Founding Fathers
“... we discussed the fact that Ho Chi Minh was actually inspired by the U.S. Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and the words of Thomas Jefferson.”
-- President Obama talking to reporters alongside Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang.
All righty then.
That's what some historic narratives say .It's a bit more complex than that. Ho was a nationalist ;and that is the only similarity between him and the founders. He saw the US as an ally with a common enemy... Japan. The US supplied weapons to Ho's faction and Ho assumed that the quid pro quo would be that the US would back their nationalist movement (Viet Minh)after WWII . Ho moved quickly after the war to consolidate his control of the country . He forced the Emperor Bao Dai to abdicate and he declared the formation of the "Democratic Republic of Vietnam. Of course he cited the Declaration of Independence in his proclamation. But the government he was setting up was dominated by Communists. He then sought recognition by the Truman Adm.
Truman was faced with the option of either backing Ho and his communist dominated Republic ;or the French colonial claims. The Truman adm at the time was in the beginning phases of creating the 'containment policy' .So Truman backed the French claims.
Ho in the meantime felt betrayed . He could not turn to China for assistance as China was a traditional enemy of Vietnam. So he turned to Moscow instead.
So my take is that in some ways Ho did admire the founders struggle against the colonial Brits. However ,his ideas of liberty did not extend further than that. Communist Vietnam post war turned pretty much into the dystopia that Marxist states fall into.
Recently they have begun to achieve some economic prosperity. But human rights there are what you would expect in a communist state.
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Jul 27, 2013, 04:18 AM
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Re: Ho comments. If I recall even the source article acknowledges he may be technically correct, but what was he thinking linking Jefferson with a brutal regime? That may play well at Berkeley but I doubt the American public in general think that's the chic thing to say.
Re: the economy. "You didn't build that".
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Jul 27, 2013, 04:32 AM
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What the emperor was REALLY saying was that Ho had more respect for the founders and the government they set up than the emperor does.
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Jul 27, 2013, 05:03 AM
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Now it makes sense.
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Jul 30, 2013, 01:37 PM
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Obama 4.0, just like Obama 3.0, 2.0 and 1.0, is touting his most recent pivot to jobs in Chattanooga, TN today. The home town paper had a message before his arrival...
Take your jobs plan and shove it, Mr. President: Your policies have harmed Chattanooga enough
President Obama,
Welcome to Chattanooga, one of hundreds of cities throughout this great nation struggling to succeed in spite of your foolish policies that limit job creation, stifle economic growth and suffocate the entrepreneurial spirit.
Forgive us if you are not greeted with the same level of Southern hospitality that our area usually bestows on its distinguished guests. You see, we understand you are in town to share your umpteenth different job creation plan during your time in office. If it works as well as your other job creation programs, then thanks, but no thanks. We’d prefer you keep it to yourself.
That’s because your jobs creation plans so far have included a ridiculous government spending spree and punitive tax increase on job creators that were passed, as well as a minimum wage increase that, thankfully, was not. Economists — and regular folks with a basic understanding of math — understand that these are three of the most damaging policies imaginable when a country is mired in unemployment and starving for job growth.
Even though 64 percent of Chattanooga respondents said they would rather you hadn’t chosen to visit our fair city, according to a survey on the Times Free Press website, it’s probably good that you’re here. It will give you an opportunity to see the failure of your most comprehensive jobs plan to date, the disastrous stimulus scheme, up close and personal.
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 helped fund the Gig to Nowhere project, a $552 million socialist-style experiment in government-owned Internet, cable and phone services orchestrated by EPB — Chattanooga’s government-owned electric monopoly.
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The Gig to Nowhere is a Smart Grid, a high tech local electricity infrastructure intended to improve energy efficiency and reduce power outages. After lobbying for, and receiving, $111.6 million in stimulus money from your administration, EPB decided to build a souped-up version of the Smart Grid with fiber optics rather than more cost-effective wireless technology. This decision was supposed to allow EPB to provide the fastest Internet service in the Western Hemisphere, a gigabit-per-second Internet speed that would send tech companies and web entrepreneurs stampeding to Chattanooga in droves.
In reality, though, the gig, like most of the projects funded by your stimulus plan, has been an absolute bust.
While the Smart Grid will cost taxpayers and local electric customers well over a half-billion dollars when all is said and done, there has been little improvement in the quality of EPB’s electric service. Worse, despite being heavily subsidized, EPB’s government-owned Internet, cable and telephone outfit that competes head-to-head against private companies like AT&T and Comcast is barely staying afloat, often relying on loans from electric service reserve funds to afford its business expenses.
Further, there has been no credible evidence to suggest that EPB can even provide a gig of service consistently and reliably. Any companies hoping to utilize the Gig to Nowhere are quoted monthly billing costs that make the service unfeasible. As a result, Chattanooga has remained a relative ghost town for technological innovation. Almost no economic development whatsoever has resulted from the gig.
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What the gig has brought, however, is that shocking price tag. Because of your unwillingness to balance the budget, Mr. President, the $111.6 million federal handout to subsidize the Gig to Nowhere will actually cost federal taxpayers $158.2 million, due to interest. Once EPB received the stimulus infusion to fund the pork project, the electric monopoly took out a $219.8 bond that will balloon to $391.3 million by the time Chattanoogans are done paying it off.
The bond’s first payment comes due this fall and there remain significant questions about how EPB can manage to pay the debt without hiking electric rates on EPB customers.
Building a Smart Grid to get into a telecom sector already well-served by private companies was a bad idea from the start. But getting government involved in places it doesn’t belong is a hallmark of your administration. As a result, you and your policymakers were happy to fund the Gig to Nowhere.
You claimed that the Smart Grid would create jobs for Chattanooga. But in reality, all it did was push America deeper in debt and lure a local government agency into making a terrible financial decision that will weigh on Chattanoogans like a millstone for decades to come.
So excuse us, Mr. President, for our lack of enthusiasm for your new jobs program. Here in Chattanooga we’re still reeling from your old one.
I love Chattanooga.
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Jul 30, 2013, 01:53 PM
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Welcome, Mr. President: GOP ads, obstructionism are shameful | timesfreepress.com
ust when we think Republicans can sink no lower, they surprise us with a deep dive.
They run a misleading ad on TV to welcome President Barack Obama to Chattanooga and Tennessee, and then claim the new jobs at VW and Amazon are here “in spite” of “liberal policies” and are here “thanks to Republican leadership.”
Hardly. But then honesty and accuracy have not been recent Republican virtues.
Tennessee Democratic Gov. Phil Bredesen and Hamilton County Mayor Claude Ramsey, who is a Republican, were key in the successful recruitment of both Volkswagen and Amazon to Chattanooga.
And then there’s also the Gig City infrastructure, as well as Chattanooga’s smart and money-saving streetlights — all largely made possible by Obama’s stimulus package, the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act. Pretty much no Republicans voted for the stimulus, by the way.
Tennessee Democratic Party spokesman Brandon Puttbrese called the GOP effort to rain on Obama’s Chattanooga visit “phony.”
“The real record of [current GOP Gov.] Bill Haslam and the Republican majority is soaring unemployment, falling workers’ wages and multimillion-dollar state contracts for old business partners and well-connected cronies,” he said. “I doubt the millions of Tennesseans who work multiple jobs and still struggle to get by are impressed by this phony attempt to sell Republicans’ failed top-down agenda.”
The reality is simple and indisputable: Getting VW and Amazon here required officials of both parties — all parties — to work together.
A better future for Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama and the rest of the country still depends on that, but it’s not happening now. The GOP is in total shutdown mode except to engage in juvenile name-calling and obstructionism.
Now all we hear are pathetically bad reenactments of the worst cat-fight reality shows ever filmed as our politicians send fake postcards and make trumped-up and misleading ads to bash the nation’s leader no matter what the facts really show.
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Jul 30, 2013, 01:54 PM
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Here's the rest
In the meantime, sequestration is robbing Tennessee:
• $25.5 million in funding has been lost for education — about 340 teachers and aide jobs.
• $2.2 million in environmental funding was lost and is not ensuring clean water and air quality.
• $1.2 million in grants were lost for fish and wildlife protection.
• $681,000 in funding was lost for job search assistance.
• $2.3 million in public health money is gone.
• $1.9 million was cut for Tennessee army base civilian work, forcing 7,000 civilian employees to take furloughs.
• $1 million was lost that once provided meals for seniors.
• Child care for 800 children was lost, and Head Start services for another 1,200 children is gone.
Georgia, Alabama and North Carolina have all faced similar cuts — as have states all across the country.
But the pain and cruelty apparently isn’t over if the GOP’s most rabid talkers have their way. Some Republican lawmakers are threatening a government shutdown unless “Obamacare” is defunded.
Fortunately at least one GOP senator from Tennessee has a better head on his shoulders: Republican Sen. Bob Corker said GOP senators are meeting with White House aides to “deal with our fiscal issues in more intelligent ways than now exist.”
The president is in Chattanooga today to tell us there is hope with compromise and real leadership: Chattanooga proves it, with new jobs and new initiatives that make us attractive to still more new employers.
President Obama is in Chattanooga today because we’re a city that can find ways to compromise and come out ahead.
Sen. Corker knows this. Let’s hope he can prevail on others in Congress to be leaders, not just actors in childish games.
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Jul 30, 2013, 03:23 PM
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The sequester, is that still happening? I though we had so little to say about it, it had become a non-event
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Jul 30, 2013, 04:35 PM
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 Originally Posted by paraclete
The sequester, is that still happening? I though we had so little to say about it, it had become a non-event
It is a non-event in spite of the scare monger in chief's bleating.
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Jul 31, 2013, 03:59 AM
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Well someone doesn't think so, it must be hurting someone
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Jul 31, 2013, 04:15 AM
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If it was then there would be daily reports by the compliant press. As it is ,the biggest impact has been the White House closed to school tours. Of course that doesn't stop the emperor from hosting celebrity events . He's preparing for his post-Presidency by training to become the next Ryan Seacrest .
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Jul 31, 2013, 04:28 AM
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the biggest impact has been the White House closed to school tours.
Apparently not.
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Expert
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Jul 31, 2013, 06:05 AM
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Even conservative republicans can see that no WH tours are the least of their problems. But they still get shouted down by the Squeal and Repeal crowd, who aren't listening to their own neighbors.
We will see who votes to shut down the government when they go home amid the growing number of workers demanding raises. Call them names like you have been doing but those lazy greedy poor people will vote against anyone who ain't working for them.
Go ahead shut the government down and defund Obama Care. I dare you.
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Jul 31, 2013, 06:10 AM
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 Originally Posted by talaniman
Even conservative republicans can see that no WH tours are the least of their problems. But they still get shouted down by the Squeal and Repeal crowd, who aren't listening to their own neighbors.
We will see who votes to shut down the government when they go home amid the growing number of workers demanding raises. Call them names like you have been doing but those lazy greedy poor people will vote against anyone who ain't working for them.
Go ahead shut the government down and defund Obama Care. I dare you.
And when we all become Detroit, what then?
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Jul 31, 2013, 06:31 AM
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You have already said the country was broke and there ain't no money. Europe said it, Asia said it, and China is saying it. See if Clete has a spare room for you.
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