[NeedKarma]

People should be held accountable for what they say.
At no point have I hurled personal insults at you but that's all you throw back at me. So much so that you get posts deleted.

The quote totally in context BTW.

[speechlesstx]

People should be held accountable for what they say.

Good, because that's what I'm doing with you.

At no point have I hurled personal insults at you but that's all you throw back at me. So much so that you get posts deleted.

Oh, boo hoo, cry me a river. The personal insult you hurled at me is your constant attacks on my integrity, consistently misrepresenting my remarks and if this were ion real life, bordering on harassment, which is apparently OK with the mods here as long as it's you doing so .

The quote totally in context BTW.

Not even closer Bucko, I referred to the PRESENT administration, a fact you omitted.

Your version: "I can' help but laugh every time you holler about the right not fixing anything."

What I actually said: "As dysfunctional as this government is I can't help but laugh every time you holler about the right not fixing anything."

The only ones in position to fix things are Democrats and they've FAILED miserably so it's laughable to whine about Republicans not fixing things considering how dysfunctional the present administration is. Got it?

Now, I'll thank you for ceasing to pretend you know and understand better than I do what I've said and if you continue to stalk me I'll continue to humiliate you.

[Wondergirl]

What I actually said: "As dysfunctional as this government is I can't help but laugh every time you holler about the right not fixing anything."

The only ones in position to fix things are Democrats and they've FAILED miserably so it's laughable to whine about Republicans not fixing things considering how dysfunctional the present administration is. Got it?

Then I will rephrase my question that seems to be under discussion -- "what have the righties EVER fixed? Name three things."

[speechlesstx]

Then I will rephrase my question that seems to be under discussion -- "what have the righties EVER fixed? Name three things."

Ended slavery, ended Jimmy Carter's presidency and won the cold war.

[NeedKarma]

The Republican Party of the 1800's, when it was the liberal, progressive party of the North, was the party that took a stronger stand against slavery, while the racist, southern Democrats wanted to appease the South, and let slavery continue. Thank god for liberal, progressive ideas.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

These people??? You're talking about the American public. I don't think Issa is gonna fool 'em.

As I said, YOU are the ones who believe Obama is up to his neck in scandal. It FITS your narrative from the beginning. But, YOU are the ONLY ones who believe it.

If you wanna convince the American public, like Sam Irvin convinced them about Nixon, you're gonna need a serious attack dog, and Issa is a joke...

excon

Ah, I see you got the memo.

[talaniman]

Did you get this memo yet?

[speechlesstx]

Did you get this memo yet?

Um, that was not rocket science. I mean geez Tal, after 12 years of a liberal indoctrination only to go to the people's republic of higher education what would you expect? I give you guys that much, you've done a damn good job of brainwashing our children. Shame on you, but you do it well.

[tomder55]

The Republican Party of the 1800's, when it was the liberal, progressive party of the North, was the party that took a stronger stand against slavery, while the racist, southern Democrats wanted to appease the South, and let slavery continue. Thank god for liberal, progressive ideas.

Maybe for a brief period during Teddy Roosevelt's term... other than that the Republican party has never been accused of being liberal progressive. But nice revisionist history .

[paraclete]

Ended slavery, ended Jimmy Carter's presidency and won the cold war.

That's a fairly short list, what have they done lately? Oh! I know the answer to that one

[cdad]

maybe for a brief period during Teddy Roosevelt's term ...other than that the Republican party has never been accused of being liberal progressive. But nice revisionist history .

Im not sure that is true. It was Richard Nixon that got civil rights laws passed and also he led the way for the passing of Roe v Wade. At the time it was seen as hyper progressive.

[tomder55]

Good point dad . And to that point ;the GOP moderate movement has been an extension of Nixonianism.

[talaniman]

Your right wing faction is the one challenging the moderates of the GOP, and making any compromise impossible. They require much attention and red meat and holler rather loudly if they don't get it. Repubs have little choice but to feed the beast or have no voting base to build on in the congress.

I think we all suffer when there is no compromises possible to solve our national issues, no matter how reasonable and small they may be.

[tomder55]

Compromise to the Dems means Republic concessions and none from the Dem side. It's always

For the Dems .There is never a shrink in the size of the government or a reduction in spending (except military ) that is acceptable.

[NeedKarma]

There is never a shrink in the size of the government or a reduction in spending (except military ) that is acceptable.

Same for the republicans. They will not do what you want them to do, you need to realize that.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

for the Dems .There is never a shrink in the size of the government or a reduction in spending

For the Republicans, there is NEVER a tax increase on the richest of the rich, to PAY for the spending.

Look.. The spending isn't for hammers @ $400 each like Reagan was paying. It's so children can EAT. I'm all for eating. Bummer that you're not.

It's also important to note that the richest of the rich, have gotten MUCH richer over the last 30 years, while YOU and ME are getting poorer and poorer every day. So, there's NO QUESTION that they can AFFORD to give back.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Back to actual scandals, the most transparent administration EVER seems to have a fairly widespread habit of using secret email accounts... and demanding $1 million for the release of FOIA info to the media.

Some of President Barack Obama's political appointees, including the secretary for Health and Human Services, are using secret government email accounts they say are necessary to prevent their inboxes from being overwhelmed with unwanted messages, according to a review by The Associated Press.

The scope of using the secret accounts across government remains a mystery: Most U.S. agencies have failed to turn over lists of political appointees' email addresses, which the AP sought under the Freedom of Information Act more than three months ago. The Labor Department initially asked the AP to pay more than $1 million for its email addresses.

The AP asked for the addresses following last year's disclosures that the former administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency had used separate email accounts at work. The practice is separate from officials who use personal, non-government email accounts for work, which generally is discouraged - but often happens anyway - due to laws requiring that most federal records be preserved.

The secret email accounts complicate an agency's legal responsibilities to find and turn over emails in response to congressional or internal investigations, civil lawsuits or public records requests because employees assigned to compile such responses would necessarily need to know about the accounts to search them. Secret accounts also drive perceptions that government officials are trying to hide actions or decisions.

"What happens when that person doesn't work there anymore? He leaves and someone makes a request (to review emails) in two years," said Kel McClanahan, executive director of National Security Counselors, an open government group. "Who's going to know to search the other accounts? You would hope that agencies doing this would keep a list of aliases in a desk drawer, but you know that isn't happening."

Agencies where the AP so far has identified secret addresses, including the Labor Department and HHS, said maintaining non-public email accounts allows senior officials to keep separate their internal messages with agency employees from emails they exchange with the public. They also said public and non-public accounts are always searched in response to official requests and the records are provided as necessary.

The AP couldn't independently verify the practice. It searched hundreds of pages of government emails previously released under the open records law and found only one instance of a published email with a secret address: an email from Labor Department spokesman Carl Fillichio to 34 coworkers in 2010 was turned over to an advocacy group, Americans for Limited Government. It included as one recipient the non-public address for Seth D. Harris, currently the acting labor secretary, who maintains at least three separate email accounts.

Google can't find any reference on the Internet to the secret address for HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. Congressional oversight committees told the AP they were unfamiliar with the non-public government addresses identified so far by the AP.

Ten agencies have not yet turned over lists of email addresses, including the Environmental Protection Agency; the Pentagon; and the departments of Veterans Affairs, Transportation, Treasury, Justice, Housing and Urban Development, Homeland Security, Commerce and Agriculture. All have said they are working on a response to the AP.

White House spokesman Eric Schultz declined to comment.

I don't know about you but I find the excuse lame and the claim that these accounts are included in requests for info is obviously a lie. I want to know why there is even ONE secret account being used for official business.

[talaniman]

The size of government has shrunk, so has the debt, but of course those facts are never acknowledged at all on the right. Nor is the fact that kids and old people are being cut from food, and education programs.

Congress is investigating scandals and service women get raped and assaulted. The right hollers rights, and denies everybody else's rights. Politics over people and mo' money for the rich guys while nothing trickles down.

[speechlesstx]

The size of government has shrunk, so has the debt, but of course those facts are never acknowledged at all on the right. Nor is the fact that kids and old people are being cut from food, and education programs.

Congress is investigating scandals and service women get raped and assaulted. The right hollers rights, and denies everybody else's rights. Politics over people and mo' money for the rich guys while nothing trickles down.

No one wants women getting raped anywhere, so you fix that while we demand accountability from the government crooks. And by the way, your guy in the White House and the Dems in charge are as bad as anyone if not worse at both enriching themselves and their cronies. And you and ex are both right that it ain't trickling down, but you refuse to blame those actually running the show - who by the way continue to be exposed as more and more corrupt by the day.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

but you refuse to blame those actually running the show - who by the way continue to be exposed as more and more corrupt by the day.

Blame?? The buck stops at their desk. They need to FIX it.

But, if you mean blame, as in they DID it, then I'd need a little proof first.. Just a tad will do. I've asked, and asked and even asked again, for some. But you ain't got any. All you got is right wing flapping gums.

Excon