[Akoue]

Ha, I'll just post the link in my sig, then they'll all know it's mine. :D

I have to spread some rep again, but I think that as your signature is about all you'd ever need to say. It's even better than "Shut up and do what Altenweg says"--which I'm still considering for my signature.

[Alty]

I have to spread some rep again, but I think that as your signature is about all you'd ever need to say. It's even better than "Shut up and do what Altenweg says"--which I'm still considering for my signature.

I change my sig a lot, I might just have to include that next time. ;)

I like to keep the sigs funny, lighthearted, something that brings a smile to your face. Me with a bat isn't funny, unless I'm playing baseball (I'm a klutz, it's not pretty!).

Maybe I should just say "Do what I say, really, do it, I dare you, double dog dare you!" Then they'll do it just to prove they can. :)

[russianeddie]

I asked a question and all I get is a bunch of very sad people giving the same reply why is it called ask me
Go get yourselves a life do you think you are a elite breed and no one else can play how do you think others learn so if you don't want to share your knowledge which I doubt you have go away

[JudyKayTee]

I asked a question and all i get is a bunch of very sad people giving the same reply why is it called ask me
go get yourselfs a life do you think you are a elite breed and no one else can play how do you think others learn so if you dont want to share your knowledge which i doubt you have go away

Then why don't you post your stastics about homeless dogs, the number of dogs euthanized every year if "our" stastics are wrong. "We" are always open to learning.

Nobody is going away. And yourselves is not a word.

[starbuck8]

I asked a question and all i get is a bunch of very sad people giving the same reply why is it called ask me
go get yourselfs a life do you think you are a elite breed and no one else can play how do you think others learn so if you dont want to share your knowledge which i doubt you have go away

If we are "sad" people, it is only because people like you show their ignorance by being yet another backyard breeder without a shred of experience, so that other dogs must die. If you are going to be angry with anyone, be angry with yourself for not knowing what you are doing before you let your pets breed recklessly. Do we have knowledge? Yes, we do! You are angry with us because we have the knowledge that you lack. You sound like a child throwing a tantrum when you told us to "go away." Educate yourself will you?! And at the same time please learn how to form a sentence and how to use punctuation and spelling correctly.

[JudyKayTee]

And for benefit of those of us who are making notes, when Russianeddie posts his factual info, here is what the Humane Society of the US has published and what he will be proving is wrong:

"Number of cats and dogs entering shelters each year:
6-8 million (HSUS estimate)

Number of cats and dogs euthanized by shelters each year:
3-4 million (HSUS estimate)

Number of cats and dogs adopted from shelters each year:
3-4 million (HSUS estimate)

Number of cats and dogs reclaimed by owners from shelters each year:
Between 600,000 and 750,000—30 percent of dogs and 2-5 percent of cats entering shelters (HSUS estimate)

Number of animal shelters in the United States:
Between 4,000 and 6,000 (HSUS estimate)

Percentage of dogs in shelters who are purebred:
25 percent (HSUS estimate)"

[Alty]

I asked a question and all i get is a bunch of very sad people giving the same reply why is it called ask me
go get yourselfs a life do you think you are a elite breed and no one else can play how do you think others learn so if you dont want to share your knowledge which i doubt you have go away

Yes, it's called askmehelpdesk, we are here to help people with problems, but not problem people. We do this in our free time with no pay, in other words, because we care enough to be here.

You didn't do your research, you just decided one day to breed your dog and now you have no clue what to do next. If I thought that you'd listen then I'd give you the info you requested (info that is easily obtained if you just do a little work) but my advice at the end, which is to spay your dog, would fall on deaf ears, it always does.

Do you realize how many backyard breeders come to this site asking questions? Too many, and they're only a tiny percentage of the people out there doing this.

I won't share my knowledge with you because what you are doing is wrong. If you had come here stating that you are thinking of breeding, want all the info before you do it so that your dog and her puppies have the best care possible, then I would give you the info and strongly urge you not to breed. But, you've already gone and done it, too late to ask for info now, you're on your own.

[JudyKayTee]

I've been thinking about this post and those haunting faces that "Alty" posted and the really sad part about his whole thread is that the OP KNEW there was a problem breeding this dog (started out with a disclaimer about no lectures), posted anyway, was able to find the AMHD site - but couldn't find information on breeding/pregnancy if for no reason other than to protect his own dog's health and welfare BEFORE he bred the dog.

I see all these unwanted puppies because people want to witness (or, worse yet, want their kids to witness) the "miracle" of birth. Well, they and their kids should go to their local shelter and witness the "miracle" of euthanasia - if the animal is lucky, as I've stated before.

I don't know if there is an answer and, if so, what is is. Certainly education isn't working. Lecturing doesn't work. I don't know.

[Alty]

Judy, I often feel like everything I say is falling on deaf ears here in the pet forum. Just today we got another question about dachshund breeding. Obviously these people aren't doing their research.

It takes more to breeding a dog then just getting a male and female together. If you really care about the breed, the dog, and all the other dogs out there, you have to do your research and you have to do your homework.

Why should we answer these questions? The answers are out there, you just have to do a bit of work. That's what really upsets me. They come here, asking these questions, expect us to give them the answers and then go about their merry little way breeding these dogs with absolutely no idea what they are doing and no desire to learn.

Yes, I can be mean to these people, but am I supposed to come here all cheery, a big fake smile on my face and tell them that I think it's great that all these dogs are dying because they want a liter of puppies? Not in this lifetime! :(

It's so frustrating, but I don't see a way to end it. I wish that we could get through. I really think the only way it will sink in is to force everyone to spay or neuter their pets, and to force everyone to volunteer at a shelter before they're even allowed to get a pet.

Is there a way? Can we find it, or do we keep trying to do what we're already doing, even though it's not working?

[JudyKayTee]

Is there a way? Can we find it, or do we keep trying to do what we're already doing, even though it's not working?

We keep doing what we're doing just so we can know we did our best and can sleep at night. You chip away a little at a time and maybe one little tiny shred gets through. And that's what makes it worth it.

You can't make people love you; you can't make people stop smoking; apparently you can't make people stop breeding their dogs irresponsibly.

And what's the saying? If you don't stand up for something no one will stand up for nothing.

[Alty]

It's just so frustrating. Why can't these people see that what they are doing is wrong? Why can't they read what we're writing with an open mind and realize that we only want what's best for their dog and all the other dogs in the world.

I just don't understand how someone who claims to love dogs, claims to love their dog, could do this. I can't wrap my brain around it, because it's unthinkable.

If I could force these people to listen, wow, would I ever do it in a hearbeat, sadly they can log off anytime and go back to doing whatever they want, regardless of the consequences.

Obviously they must know, deep down, that what they are doing is wrong, most of them write in their question "please don't lecture me", why would we unless you are doing something bad?

[JudyKayTee]

It's just so frustrating.

From the heart - you know, the frustration goes deeper than that. I have gone back and forth on one of the legal boards with someone who simply doesn't want to listen to me or anybody else. (It's been pulled now so it's all moot.) At any rate, I woke up this AM to a PM saying, pretty much, "Don't read this because it will only upset you." So, of course, I "ran" right over and read it.

It was a pretty bad personal attack on me, calling me "blondie," the old "You just THINK you're Judge Judy," attacks on my character, attacks on my education, the "I wouldn't hire you to clean up after my dogs," the "what you need is a REAL man" (and just to be nasty, like this guy would know what a real man is) line, every third word an obscenity. At first I was pretty much, "Wow. How can one person have so much venom stored up."

And then the very next thread contained a thank you.

You can only do what you can do. If people are going to go off, they're going to go off. With a few exceptions they're always One Hit Wonders (as I call them) anyway. The people who argue - and I realize the OP here has gone away - eventually show their true colors.

So I think you/we keep chipping away knowing that out there if we help ONE person you/we did a good job.

So don't you even THINK about calling it quits!

Group hug, group hug.

[Alty]

Big group hug.

No, I'm not going to quit, I just wish that there were better odds that we'll get through to these people.

I realize that we're invisible people in many ways, and that the people who come here for advice don't really know us or what we believe, or even why we believe. I just wish that they'd listen with an open mind, maybe then they'd see the logic of what we're saying, and not just the anger.

Judy dear, I know who you are, what you stand for, your heart always comes shining through, so, don't let words get you down, because for every person that writes bad things, there are 1000 that write good things. Sadly it's usually the bad that sticks in our minds.

I guess we just keep on keeping on and hope for the best. It's hard for me to be nice on these types of threads because of the sheer number of them and the lack of progress. I keep thinking that there has to be a way to stop all of this, I just can't find it. It's like a disease, and there isn't a cure. :(

Big hug, huge group hug! :)

[starbuck8]

No, we can't force the people that are full of ignorance when it comes to this. They think if they don't have to see the consequences of their actions, that it just musn't exist! They will argue with you that it's just ONE litter! Well the problem is, it is NOT just ONE LITTER! It is HUNDREDS of litters from that ONE litter!

All we can do is keep on trying to do what we're doing. Maybe one person will stop and think! We can also encourage people to BOYCOTT the pet stores like PETLAND, and others like it. If people stop buying things from these pet stores that sell puppies from puppymills and backyard breeders, the demand for more orders from the brokers to the puppymills will decrease. We can also encourage people to stop buying from adds in the paper, or from that friend of a friend who has puppies for sale. As Judy said in her data from the HSUS (which for anyone that doesn't have a clue what that is, it's stands for The Humane Society of the United States) 10% of the millions of dogs in shelters are PUREBRED! Nobody can say to me, but I want a purebred "so and so," and they don't have those in shelters. Oh hell yes they DO! You just didn't look.

And for that matter, I want a mercedes! Does it mean I'm going to get one? Well, I probably could if I went to a backyard mechanic, and paid him a ridiculous fee for something he says looks like a mercedes! Would I trust this guy just because he said it's one, and it's all bright shiny and new? I don't think so! I think I would go to a reputable car company and get my money's worth! But then I find out that there is a place where they have got an array of brand name cars! I get to choose my color, pick the amount of horse power that suits me, and find out if there are any problems under the hood. I could likely even find one that doesn't leak fluid all over my driveway!

Do I get a little nasty with the people that just don't get it? You bet I do! I try to make them see that what they are doing is being an accessory to murder, to put it very bluntly. It make me mad as hell! Some of the people doing this, are some of the same people that sat and cried their eyes out when Lassie was hurt, when Old Yeller died, or even when Bambi's mother was shot. They cry when they see it in movies! But this isn't a MOVIE! This is REAL LIFE. People need to educate themselves and try and be part of the solution, not part of the PROBLEM!

[Alty]

I really think we need to start a thread with more detail about backyard breeding, puppy mills, shelters etc. I know you started one Starby, and maybe we should be talking about all of this on that thread because we're kind of higjacking this one (oops).

Maybe we should be doing more research posting more statistics on your thread Starby and hopefully, hopefully, we can post the link to that thread the next time a backyard breeder comes on and they'll get it, they'll see the light.

What do you girls think?

Starby, can you post the link?

[starbuck8]

You betcha!

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/dogs/d...me-291557.html

[JudyKayTee]

I really think we need to start a thread with more detail about backyard breeding, puppy mills, shelters etc. I know you started one Starby, and maybe we should be talking about all of this on that thread because we're kind of higjacking this one (oops).

Maybe we should be doing more research posting more statistics on your thread Starby and hopefully, hopefully, we can post the link to that thread the next time a backyard breeder comes on and they'll get it, they'll see the light.

What do you girls think?

Starby, can you post the link?

Absolutely, enough highjacking this link. I was thinking a new one called, "Thinking about breeding your dog?" And then things could be cross posted -

My concern is that people may not want to sort through a lot of older posts but might get into things from the beginning.

Excellent idea!

Let me know what you need researched and we'll all work together gathering info and posting.

And maybe some "true life" stories - we all seem to have rescue dogs or special needs dogs or we have in the past. Excellent.

Now if I could only figure out how to post photos.

[Alty]

Now if I could only figure out how to post photos.

Judy, I'll PM you with step by step instructions. They didn't work for Starby, but Startypants was posting pics in minutes after I gave her the instructions. ;)

Sorry Starby, love you! :)

[starbuck8]

Judy, I'll PM you with step by step instructions. They didn't work for Starby, but Startypants was posting pics in minutes after I gave her the instructions. ;)

Sorry Starby, love ya! :)

I can't remember you sending me step by step instructions! Did I miss this, or has my memory ran away again? :p

[Alty]

Didn't I? Do you want me to? I'm sure I did. Actually, no, I didn't send it in writing, I tried instructing you over the phone, I remember because my head hurt afterwards. ;)