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smoothy · Jul 17, 2013, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello smoothy:
Nahhhh... That ain't the way things work... Asking the executive branch to investigate itself isn't the thing to do... In this great nation of ours, the founders gave each branch of government a check on the other. One of those checks is the oversight of the executive BY the congress... Certainly, you know this.

Now, we've got a Republican controlled congress. They have the POWER to investigate. They have the WILL to investigate. They have the POWER to subpoena witnesses, and they have the POWER to put them in jail if they DON'T cooperate. They only thing they DON'T have, is PROOF of wrongdoing!!!

So, Daryl Issa, like you, throws up his hands and snivels. Now, I KNOW why he won't investigate, and you do too.. It's because there's NOTHING there... IF there was, you'd grab it. You surly would. You and Issa HATE Obama soooo much, that you'd grab on to ANYTHING that would get rid of him...

But, you don't.. Because you can't.

excon

If congress does all that... then what are we spending all that money on the DOJ for.

talaniman · Jul 17, 2013, 02:54 PM

If the republican controlled house cannot get some real evidence to go with their rants then what do you expect anyone to do? Like ex said, you guys got nothing but hot air. Now you want to blame everyone else for your failure to do your job.

Oh that's right you expect everyone to be jumping to help you with your idiocy, after you have been doing nothing but throwing rocks at them. Silly wingers. Typical right wing lunacy.

Hear that?? That's Holder laughing at you guys. Contemptible ain't it?

speechlesstx · Jul 17, 2013, 02:58 PM

Tom answered ex's "sniveling" remarks sufficiently.

You and I both know that the so called inherent contempt power is, and pretty much has always been a dormant implied power. Anything further requires a criminal contempt charge ;and that requires the cooperation of the executive branch and possibly the judiciary .

And you ain't getting ANY cooperation from the executive branch. 'Tis they who are standing in the way of getting all the answers.

talaniman · Jul 17, 2013, 03:12 PM

Or it's you guys who control the house that holler and blow smoke but got nothing. What you expect people to throw rocks at themselves because yours don't reach their target?

Issa is a laughing stock, but he's the best you got.

smoothy · Jul 17, 2013, 03:13 PM

Obama and Holder specifically want to make it illegal for women to shoot a rapist, or a carjacker... or if a gang of hoodlums decide to beat an armed individual... because a Registered democrat or democrats would get shot. Some of them might even be black... So like the spotted owl... no matter what they do.. they want to make it illegal to kill one.

Their stupid rant about wanting to repeal Stand your ground laws effectively means exactly that.

Despite the evidence they are breeding in sufficient numbers to cover the losses of those killed during crimes.

cdad · Jul 17, 2013, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:
I dunno. This right winger didn't break any new ground, and didn't use new language.. I've heard the same thing from them day in and day out, since Obama was elected.

excon

Must be the same stuff that never got answered before. Seems the list keeps growing.

OBAMA BANNED THIS VIDEO - GEE, I WONDER WHY!.flv - YouTube

talaniman · Jul 17, 2013, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by cdad

Must be the same stuff that never got answered before. Seems the list keeps growing.

OBAMA BANNED THIS VIDEO - GEE, I WONDER WHY!.flv - YouTube

He sure did a lousy job of banning that video from 2011 if its still available on YouTube.

You really are going to have to throw bigger rocks than that.

excon · Jul 17, 2013, 03:28 PM

Hello again, dad:

As a concerned citizen, I don't care about the list of COMPLAINTS the right wing has against the president... I want to know what they can PROVE. I want to KNOW if my president is a crook. I WANT the congress to DO THEIR JOB. They HAVE the power to investigate... That's NOT a teensy weensy little power.. It's a HUGE, HUMONGOUS power. It's the power of the United States Government... That power brought down one president... If Obama is corrupt, there's NO reason why THIS congress can't bring him down too...

The reason why you don't, however, is simple. There's NO corruption. There's only right wingers flapping their gums...

excon

cdad · Jul 17, 2013, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:

As a concerned citizen, I don't care about the list of COMPLAINTS the right wing has against the president... I wanna know what they can PROVE. I wanna KNOW if my president is a crook. I WANT the congress to DO THEIR JOB. They HAVE the power to investigate... That's NOT a teensy weensy little power.. It's a HUGE, HUMONGOUS power. It's the power of the United States Government... That power brought down one president... If Obama is a corrupt, there's NO reason why THIS congress can't bring him down...

The reason, however, is simple. There's NO corruption. There's only right wingers flapping their gums...

excon

Ok, then lets pick one from the list and go for it. Will he release records from school as other presidents have done? Well maybe we can do some research and find out if he did say under oath he had not used any other names? Those should be simple enough for starters.

If the accusations are proven true then up the ladder we go.

Simle right? Get the cooperation from the records and it will all become clear.

cdad · Jul 17, 2013, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by cdad

Ok, then lets pick one from the list and go for it. Will he release records from school as other presidents have done? Well maybe we can do some research and find out if he did say under oath he had not used any other names? Those should be simple enough for starters.

If the accusations are proven true then up the ladder we go.

Simle right? Get the cooperation from the records and it will all become clear.

Here is one. Maybe its all a big mistake. Check it yourself.

https://www.iardc.org/lawyersearch.asp

Just enter Obama for a result.

talaniman · Jul 17, 2013, 05:08 PM

Don't remember him claiming to be a lawyer. Didn't know he was a practicing one. I could be wrong. What's the point?

NeedKarma · Jul 17, 2013, 05:08 PM

What's the problem there?

excon · Jul 17, 2013, 05:08 PM

Hello again, dad:

Get the cooperation from the records and it will all become clear.

If you want to get him, you have to do it Constitutionally.. That means you're going to have to get him WITHOUT his cooperation..

Look... This is simple... IF there was a scandal, Issa would be NECK deep in it, and we couldn't keep our eyes off the hearings. Instead, he's sniveling about Holder NOT investigating himself...

You can ask all the questions you like about his records, or his birth certificate, or his gay lover.. I don't care about that crap.. I want to know if he's a CROOK.

Excon

smoothy · Jul 17, 2013, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Don't remember him claiming to be a lawyer. Didn't know he was a practicing one. I could be wrong. What's the point?

How could you not... he spent most of his first campaign bragging about it.

We had arguments here about his involvement in the banks being forced to give loans to people who weren't credit worthy and could never pay them back... back in the 80's. And it was only a year or so ago.

Wondergirl · Jul 17, 2013, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Don't remember him claiming to be a lawyer. Didn't know he was a practicing one. I could be wrong. What's the point?

He is a lawyer (as is Michelle) and taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago.

Wikipedia -- Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he was president of the Harvard Law Review. He was a community organizer in Chicago before earning his law degree. He worked as a civil rights attorney in Chicago and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004.

speechlesstx · Jul 17, 2013, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:
If you wanna get him, you have to do it Constitutionally.. That means you're going to have to get him WITHOUT his cooperation..

Look... This is simple... IF there was a scandal, Issa would be NECK deep in it, and we couldn't keep our eyes off the hearings. Instead, he's sniveling about Holder NOT investigating himself...

You can ask all the questions you like about his records, or his birth certificate, or his gay lover.. I don't care about that crap.. I wanna know if he's a CROOK.

excon

You keep mentioning this sniveling, give me some quotes.

tomder55 · Jul 17, 2013, 05:24 PM

Oh that's right you expect everyone to be jumping to help you with your idiocy, after you have been doing nothing but throwing rocks at them. Silly wingers. Typical right wing lunacy.

Imagine how far the Plame investigation would've gone if the Dems didn't have the ACTIVE cooperation of the Bush WH . It was the executive branch that appointed an independent prosecutor to the case . It was President Bush who directed his staff to give Fitzgerald their full cooperation. In other words ,there was no executive dept cover-up or stonewalling . It was not some vast fantasy powers that the Legislature has to impose their will.

Take another example... Watergate . Nixon stonewalled and STILL had his Dept of Justice actively investigate the case even as his AG ,Richard G. Kleindienst was resigning over his participation in the Watergate affair .

excon · Jul 17, 2013, 05:29 PM

Hello again, Steve:

You keep mentioning this sniveling, give me some quotes.

I'm not going to look, so this isn't an exact quote, but SOMEBODY said, Owebama and his butt buddy Holder won't do what we want... Waaaahh..

Excon

talaniman · Jul 17, 2013, 05:30 PM

Bush was presented with a smoking gun, so was Nixon, where's yours for Obama?

smoothy · Jul 17, 2013, 05:31 PM

We got an armory full of smoking guns.