[talaniman]

Hello again, tal:

Because they thought they had a mandate. Because they got caught up in the rightness of their cause. Because they believed their own press. Because they got heady with power. Because they became arrogant. Because they didn't read the law. Because they thought the law didn't matter. Because they FORGOT to read the law. Because they don't know how to read.

Take you're pick.

excon

I'm on to your trick questions EX! All the above is the correct answer.

[talaniman]

QUOTE by speechlesstx;
Yes, I saw that compliance guide yesterday. That's not the law, that's the AG's opinion.

You have to cross reference to the cited law in the guide.


As you see they started the clock before they informed the public.

I don't see that, where do I see that?

That was the judge's ruling not mine.

Judge rules Wisconsin violated open meetings law - Post Bulletin

[speechlesstx]

That was the judge's ruling not mine.

I haven't seen the judges ruling yet. Your article reports they "failed to comply with the open meetings law, which requires at least two hours' notice to the public." The article I cited contests that.

Sumi, appointed to the bench by former Republican Gov. Tommy Thompson, earlier had put the law on hold, finding that legislators provided two hours' advance notice of the meeting, instead of the 24 hours required by state law.

So, is she reversing her earlier finding that they did provide two hours' advance notice? "Oops, my bad," said Sumi.

[speechlesstx]

Pathetic, Wisconsin libs protested Gov. Walker at a Special Olympics event.



Really?

[excon]

Pathetic, Wisconsin libs protested Gov. Walker at a Special Olympics event.

Hello again, Steve:

The MacIver Institute, who produced the video, bills itself as "The Free Market Voice For Wisconsin". But, they sure don't believe in FREEDOM, or the People's right to assemble. A REAL American doesn't pick between WHICH freedoms to support. He supports them ALL.

Besides, I thought you were going to show how those pathetic libs were knocking over the disabled kids when they ran their races... But, naaaa.. They were doing what every good American citizen should do.

What?? Demonstrations are only good if Tea Partiers do it?? DUDE!

excon

[tomder55]

Update... Goveror Walker's law was upheld by the State Supreme Court.

[excon]

update .... Goveror Walker's law was upheld by the State Supreme Court.

Hello again, tom:

A temporary setback in a long game. Like your guys are going to repeal Obamney care, Wisconsonites will repeal Walkerf**k.

excon

[tomder55]

Yeah already you are seeing school districts negotiating better deals with their public union employees saving the tax payers $$$ from property taxes. The better business environment will allow the state to recruit new businesses. In a year you won't hear a peep of protest from the people of the state.

[speechlesstx]

A temporary setback in a long game. Like your guys are gonna repeal Obamney care, Wisconsonites will repeal Walkerf**k.

You do know that Repubs are not alone in facing recalls? And in one recall race, the Democrat just blew it...

WI Dem to constituent: ‘I feel like calling her back and smacking her around’

[speechlesstx]

What??? Demonstrations are only good if Tea Partiers do it??? DUDE!

Tea Parties don't spoil it for Special Olympians.

[paraclete]

You know this was a ridiculous idea that has spread far beyond Wisconsin, We had state Government employees rallying here against government attempts to change the state of play.
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...616-1g4kl.html

[tomder55]

Do the unions own your politicians too ?

[paraclete]

do the unions own your politicians too ?

Well you see Tom a little time ago we had a Labor, union dominated government chucked out on its ear and the new bloke, Liberal party with 16 years of chagrin under his belt has decided that the state budget needs some trimming and rather than for go the dividends from the power industry and lowering state travel fares he has opted for taking it out of the public sector wages. Basically he attacks those who have nowhere else to go, Nurses, Teachers, Police but mind you he has pegged politicians wage rises too. What he is doing is sacking the umpire and appointing himself industrial relations supremo

It becomes very difficult in a socialistally organised democracy when the government wants to tighten its belt, who suffers but the workers? There are lots of state owned enterprises and services to attack, this mob have also agreed to massive rises in local government taxes, electricity tarrifs and various other charges excepting travel fares which for some pecular reason they have decided to lower.

[tomder55]

When you have socialized systems you needs absolute czars to administer them.

[paraclete]

When you have socialized systems you needs absolute czars to administer them.

True but what we have is politicians who think politics will get the job done, They forget jobs are done by real people not statistics. This dill has had to back down because reduction in service delivery is not an option. When we elect a government we expect that they will deliver. So if you provide public transport it is on time, if public hospitals they are staffed, if Police, they are dealing with the social problems of crime and civil disorder, Courts are dealing with offenders, Jails are adequate to house offenders. We have a highly honed system, no local government involved in essential services other than water and sewerage. Need I go on, less is not more.

[tomder55]

I like Pawlenty's conclusion... if you can find a good or service on Goggle ,then the government shouldn't be providing it.

[paraclete]

It is all a matter of scale and tradition, Tom, when private enterprise doesn't step up to provide a service, often lack of capital, then if the service is essential, government must provide it until such times as the society matures. This can often result in partial privatisation during a transition phase. What we have found is that private enterprise will not take over enterprises which don't pay their way, i.e. Urban or Country rail networks, Electricity generation and distribution. Whilst some of this is changing there are very few investors taking the risk and those that have have been bitten or the assets have been given away at bargain prices.

It is easy to use over simplifications

[talaniman]

Pawlenty's plan is flawed because it takes a premise that business can do it better, FOR PROFIT, and has no basis in FACT. Show me where the economy had sustained growth of 5%.

Sounds good, and admiral goal to pursue, but when it falls short say to half that, what do you do with the people that it affects? No matter what goods and services are provided, when the business plan fails to generate profits, then its people who pay the price. The question is who, or what fills that gap, while they grow another business?

[tomder55]

Show me where the economy had sustained growth of 5%.

Both Reagan and Clinton had growths at close to 5 % .The first couple years of the Reagan recovery was 7 percent

You are right ,it is a laudable goal and more worthy of a President than tooting a horn over a growth rate that produces well short of 10,000 jobs... the “new normal ". Pawlenty calls this target aspirational and so it is .

Where he gets it right is where many here has also argued ;that the tax system(not just tinkering with rates ) needs overhaul.

He is also right that many government services could be better done by the private sector.

[speechlesstx]

NJ Gov. Chris Christie has accomplished something amazing in a state as Democratic and unionized as his, he got the NJ Assembly and Senate to roll back government benefits and cut back collective bargaining rights.

New Jersey Lawmakers Approve Benefits Rollback for Work Force

TRENTON — New Jersey lawmakers on Thursday approved a broad rollback of benefits for 750,000 government workers and retirees, the deepest cut in state and local costs in memory, in a major victory for

The Assembly passed the bill 46 to 32, as Republicans and a few Democrats defied raucous protests by thousands of people whose chants, vowing electoral revenge, shook the State House. Leaders in the State Senate said their chamber, which had already passed a slightly different version of the bill, would approve the Assembly version on Monday. Mr. Christie, a Republican, was expected to sign the measure into law quickly.

In a statement released after the vote, Mr. Christie said, “We are putting the people first and daring to touch the third rail of politics in order to bring reform to an unsustainable system.”

Unsustainable? That's putting it mildly.

Study: To Fund Public Pensions, Taxes Must be Raised $1,400 Every Year for 30 Years

U.S. state and local governments will need to raise taxes by $1,398 per household every year for the next 30 years if they are to fully fund their pension systems, a study released on Wednesday said.

The study, co-authored by Joshua Rauh of Northwestern University and Robert Novy-Marx of the University of Rochester, both of whom are finance professors, argues that states will have to cut services or raise taxes to make up funding gaps if promises made to municipal employees are to be honored.

That's $1400 per household per year every year for 30 years. Time to do something you think?