[BABRAM]

Why don't you move to some third world country, where you can grow your own food, with the money the US sends to make sure you won't starve.

Pssst know little,

I have a residence in the US, live and work in Vegas, and own a second home in a third world SE Asian country known as the Philippines; specifically in a city called, "Davao City." I also own two hectares of rice plantation two hours south of there in Mawab. I'm considering opening up a restaurant in SM Davao mall. Electricity? Lucky if you make one full day without a brown out. When I'm there, I ride in sweltering heat with a .45 loaded on the dash. Not much different than cruising Compton USA, top down in the summer, wearing the wrong color shirt.

I asked for a "positive attributes" list for Obama, didn't I?

But you "wouldn't want to"?

Understandable.

There are none.

Understandable that you missed the point... again. If I was going to make [another] list, I would do it using positive attributes, something you didn't qualify doing with McCain. And to be perfectly straight with you I've posted Obama's resume and attributes on several occasions and it compared very favorable to McCain, but you were probably to busy dodging facts to remember. ;)

[tomder55]

Did you think the Comic cover of the New Yorker by Billy B, was funny the other day too?

Certainly did. I would also find the humorod a cartoon of McCain in a wheel chair with his wife administering perscription drugs to him ;with a picture of VP Cheney on the wall and a Constitution in the fireplace. Why ? Because that would clearly be a satire on what the libs think of him .

Perhaps the New Yorker Mag. Did not make it clear enough for the thin skinned Obama and his supporters .Perhaps if they had Rush Limbaugh drawing it ,it would've been clearer??

well being a single mother, I made sure my children had choices.

Bingo ;you did not depend on the institution to do your job. I congratulate you and your daughter's success .

Oh yeah and by the way what children come out of the system illiterate and poor untrained? Come on

Stopping Adult Illiteracy at the Source

In 2003, the National Assessment of Adult Literacy from the U. S. Department of Education indicated that as many as 5 percent of adults over the age of 16 were non-literate in English (that's 11 million adults), 14 percent (30 million) were below basic in literacy, and another 29 percent (63 million) possessed only basic literacy skills.

Illiteracy Statistics

Reading levels of young Americans fell so low in the 1970s that the Army was forced to rewrite its operating manuals in comic fashion.10 Much reading material previously used for years in American schools became incomprehensible to present-day students and had to be simplified. For example, when a well-known history book was revised with an eye toward the high school market, words like “spectacle” and “admired” were removed. Apparently they were too difficult.11
On 26 April 1983, pointing to the literacy crisis and to the collapse in standards at the secondary and the college levels, the National Commission on Excellence warned: “Our nation is at risk.” The report warned that America would soon be engulfed by a “rising tide of mediocrity in elementary and secondary school.”12
Since the Nation at Risk report, education reforms have taken place in every state. New teaching methods and programs have been tried and evaluated. But the overall goal set for the year 2000 — to educate every child to a high standard — has remained a mere dream. “The nation is at even greater risk now,” voiced Senator Edward M. Kennedy a decade after the famous report was published.13 A newspaper reported in 1997 that the standards of education are so low in the U.S. that black Americans are returning to Africa, specifically Kenya, to get better schooling.14 And if the article, published in The Atlanta Journal and Constitution in October 1999, part of which appears below, is only partially representative of conditions in the United States, it should cause great alarm:
In the aftermath of the Atlanta Public School's announcement that more than half the city's third-graders may flunk come spring, administrators, teachers and parents are grappling with questions about why the scores were so low and what can be done to improve them. Superintendent Beverly Hall last week revealed the stunning results of the Scholastic Reading Inventory, a criterion-referenced test that gauges a child's reading skills against what is expected for a child in that grade. Seventy-three percent of second-graders, 55 percent of third-graders, 57 percent of fourth graders and 49 percent of fifth-graders are not reading on grade level, according to the test.15

The sad truth is that a study by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development shows 59% of American high school graduates between the ages of 16 and 25 are functionally illiterate, incapable of coping “adequately” with the complex demands of everyday life.
Second languages are great ,but our schools have to get their priorities straight and make sure that graduating students have enough basic skills to be productive members of society.

[spitvenom]

The New Yorker cover is funny. And it is well known I am an Obama Supporter. Even Obama himself said on Larry King that it is just a cartoon and we have bigger things to worry about then a cartoon. Although if I were McCain and the Republicans I'd be worried about how Obama raised 52 million last month when he is supposed to be losing support. :D

[speechlesstx]

Yea, I still dont think he`s a good guy. How does that address name calling on this site.:confused:

Let's see, NK, since you were addressing progunr's quote which was about "the OVERALL substance and tone of their posts" it seemed appropriate for you to be reminded of the overall substance and tone of your own posts.

[NeedKarma]

Feel free to check my other 5740 posts since 2004 as well. :)

[tomder55]

spitvenom ;
The last I saw Obama had not released June fundraising numbers yet. Do you have an updated source ?

Obama's Money Advantage Not Such an Advantage Anymore -- Daily Intel -- New York News Blog -- New York Magazine


The WSJ reported $30 million and called it "underwhelming "... of course ;McCain raised $23 Million and called it a good month.
I go on the theory that fundraising in itself is not an indicator . Ron Paul raised much more than any other Republican in the primaries;and Howard Dean was way ahead in fundraising in the 2004 primaries before he crashed .

Edit:
Never mind... just found the link in today's news
Obama raised $52 million in June - Yahoo! News

[spitvenom]

Tom,
You have to admit that raising $52 million dollars in one month is impressive especially when the average donation was only $68.00!!

[tomder55]

No doubt.

This is what is happening . Obama is raising a lot of personal $$$$$ while the DNC is being ignored by the faithful.

On the GOP side we "accept " McCain as our candidate but have not really rallied to him. However ;the GOP has raised plenty of cash that they can make available to him ,and probably will.

Democrats on the other hand have been complaining that BO is not sharing the wealth.
Hill Democrats miffed at Obama - John Bresnahan - Politico.com

I do not know the math involved because Obama has declined public financing so theoretically he is not limited in what he can legally spend on the campaign.

McCain will be restricted... good ! He is 'hoist by his own petard'. He is chiefly responsible for the unconstitutional campaign finance laws. Let him deal with them !

[reesetess]

Let me correct myself, I meant the older republicans are a dying breed, the only reason I say this is because they don't listen to the issues, they just vote Republican because that is there party... They vote for the Party, which I am not saying is wrong, but you have to remember who is at the helm... And I know a lot of elderly Republicans, and you can't even mention Obama to them.. I sure know I don't get on the subject with My Dad. He blows a nutty. So yeah he is in your corner..

[progunr]

I don't know about you, or anyone else, but I always believed that older people have wisdom, that younger people could never achieve.

If MOST of the older people are opposed to Obama, doesn't that tell you something?

It seems pretty obvious to me.

[reesetess]

I don't know about you, or anyone else, but I always believed that older people have wisdom, that younger people could never achieve.

If MOST of the older people are opposed to Obama, doesn't that tell you something?

It seems pretty obvious to me.

No I don't agree/ Older people were brought up in a different world and they don't really care what the world will be like in 10 years because they will be dead.

Here's something to make you feel better and something for Obama supporters, I just received this from the Obama campaign headquarters, so if you have 5, 10 whatever, please help, he is countiing on us.

In the month of June, supporters like you helped raise $52 million. And together with the DNC, we now have nearly $72 million in the bank. That's a very strong financial position to be in.

But we remain at a massive disadvantage to our opponents.

As I mentioned in my video message earlier in the week, the McCain Campaign and the Republican National Committee finished June with nearly $100 million in the bank.

We can't stop now. It's going to take everything we've got to defeat John McCain and his allies in November.

[tomder55]

As I noted ;McCain will be limited in what he can legally spend in the campaign . But I wonder if BarryO will honor his pledge to Evita to retire her campaign debt ?

[reesetess]

as I noted ;McCain will be limited in what he can legally spend in the campaign . But I wonder if BarryO will honor his pledge to Evita to retire her campaign debt ?

You really do like to goat people. Not me anymore, you can call them all the names you want.. I think people just respond to you to goat you right back... Someone told me how knowledgeable you were about politics.. . I'm still trying to figure that one out. I think you Google and cut and paste... And hopefully that's the last time you goat me on..

[excon]

Hello tom:

BarryO CAN'T legally give his money to Hillary. That's the LAW. He can open up his contributor rolls, but he can't use THAT money for Hillary... Poor girl... Maybe she shouldn't have spent all that money when she knew she was going to lose...

excon

[purplewings]

You really do like to goat people. Not me anymore, you can call them all the names you want.. I think people just respond to you to goat you right back... Someone told me how knowledgable you were about politics.. ... I'm still trying to figure that one out. I think you google and cut and paste... And hopefully that's the last time you goat me on..

Lol - Just to lighten the tone here for a minute - I think you mean GOAD rather than GOAT. The meaning of goad according to Merriam Webster is this: *something that urges or stimulates into action* It is not necessarily a bad thing. Now, goat is something quite different. :eek:

[speechlesstx]

No I don't agree/ Older people were brought up in a different world and they don't really care what the world will be like in 10 years because they will be dead.

That seems rather naïve, most elderly people I've ever known have been extremely concerned with what kind of world is left for their children, grandchildren and their children. With their wisdom and experience they are exactly the wrong group of people to be throwing under the bus.

Here's something to make you feel better and something for Obama supporters, I just received this from the Obama campaign headquarters, so if you have 5, 10 whatever, please help, he is countiing on us.

In the month of June, supporters like you helped raise $52 million. And together with the DNC, we now have nearly $72 million in the bank. That's a very strong financial position to be in.

But we remain at a massive disadvantage to our opponents.

As I mentioned in my video message earlier in the week, the McCain Campaign and the Republican National Committee finished June with nearly $100 million in the bank.

We can't stop now. It's going to take everything we've got to defeat John McCain and his allies in November.

All those 5 and 10 dollar donations are about to take a back seat to $30,000 per person events.

[reesetess]

That seems rather naive, most elderly people I've ever known have been extremely concerned with what kind of world is left for their children, grandchildren and their children. With their wisdom and experience they are exactly the wrong group of people to be throwing under the bus.



All those 5 and 10 dollar donations are about to take a back seat to $30,000 per person events.

I'm not throwing them under a bus, You are going to argue this point no matter what, exactly why I'm not letting you all goad me anymore , did I get it right this time.
I agreed with the Obama statement. The 30,000 fund raiser. But like I said , they got to do what they got to do... I'm sorry if you disagree about my elderly voter statements, I love old people, but tell me, if an elderly person had to take a driving test again, do you think they would pass? If you asked the percentage of elderly people what was going on in the world, do you think they would pass? I'm sure your answer is yes... It's just a fact of life, sorry I ever brought it up...

[purplewings]

I'm sorry if you disagree about my elderly voter statements, I love old people, but tell me, if an elderly person had to take a driving test again, do you think they would pass? If you asked the percentage of elderly people what was going on in the world, do you think they would pass? I'm sure your answer is yes... It's just a fact of life, sorry I ever brought it up...

Well, I guess that's related to 'how old is old' in your mind. Wisdom only comes with age... it's not something that can be acquired otherwise. Intellect comes from education - hopefully.

You have a right to your beliefs and it's great that you're willing to debate it because you can teach us where you're coming from and hopefully we can teach you some things too.

I'm just suggesting that you read a lot about our political system and the candidates before voting. This country has provided so much for so many of us forever. Compare that with countries around the world. Our leaders make mistakes at times because they're human beings, but they help keep us safe and let us express our thoughts freely.

When we hear so much about "change"... do we really want such huge changes that we may lose those things that matter most? Just a thought.

[speechlesstx]

I'm not throwing them under a bus, You are going to argue this point no matter what, exactly why I'm not letting you all goad me anymore , did I get it right this time.

Now see there, that's a great example of why I goad libs - they like to complain of something a conservative does while simultaneously engaging in the behavior of which they are being critical. You just complained that older people have their minds made up and won't change - while having your mind made up that I'm "gonna argue this point no matter what." Kind of makes one look like a goat ;)

I agreed with the Obama statement. The 30,000 fund raiser. But like I said , they got to do what they got to do... I'm sorry if you disagree about my elderly voter statements, I love old people, but tell me, if an elderly person had to take a driving test again, do you think they would pass? If you asked the percentage of elderly people what was going on in the world, do you think they would pass? I'm sure your answer is yes... It's just a fact of life, sorry I ever brought it up...

I'm not sure what passing a driving test has to do with this but one thing we can learn from 'old goats' is to take it easy and not be goaded by all the world's nonsense. My parents sure seem to be living a great life worrying more about playing dominoes and quality time with their family than worrying about what's going on in Hollywood. Then seniors like my parents will make their wisdom and presence felt at election time when 70 percent of them - the largest percentage of any age group - go out and vote. It would seem wise to take them seriously.

[tomder55]

Steve ;yes I did bring up the demographics during one of my tangential comments that strayed from the main topic (whatever that was ) .