[talaniman]

@At Speech,

While I haven't seen any legislation, advocating or near what the Vice President has said, I don't think that following your bible or making people stay married is the answer, nor is it the problem. Neither is repealing Roe v Wade, or making more state restrictions. People falling through the cracks more now than before and being underserved through institutional solutions like education and economic options as the population grows and the dollars becomes rare is where I start my approach to diminishing gun violence.


I wouldn't consider ever taking guns from RESPONSIBLE citizens for hunting, protection or any other reason.

@ Cdad

I can respect your position and I too have seen and learned much and made many adjustments no matter who was running the government, or who will in the future. But too you both, should we let FEAR of what the government could do stop us from ANYTHING? Haven't we paid a high price for our freedom already. Sorry guys, but the body count just keeps rising. There has to be a better answer than more guns.

What is it?

[cdad]

The answer is to eliminate fear through education. We dont need to keep pushing the boundries to the point that no one gets hurt. This is life and to live it crap is going to happen. You mention body counts. How many die from car accidents in a year? Using the logic you are currently using we should all stop driving in motorized vehicles. Accidents happen crazy people happen. Life happens. We can't live in a bubble and it is not up to our government to force us into one.

[talaniman]

Ditto with education but we can do better identifying and dealing with UNresponsible gun owners, and purchasers, even if its baby steps. I have never said anything about doing away with cars, or guns.

[paraclete]

we always talk in extremes and absolutes rather than effective solutions, limiting the types of weapons available has been proven to effectively reduce the fallout from gun violence, limiting alcohol consumption has been effective in reducing the fallout from auto accidents, we should go further to identify and limit auto usage where age related irresponsibility is a factor and to identify other factors.

The second amendment has been intrepreted in an absolutist manner thereby multiplying the availability of weapons but certain other aspects of the loss of life are not contained in absolutist restrictions on applying remedies. There is no right to own and operate an automobile, there is no right to drive irratically or at speed, there is no right to smoke tobacco or own and use a cell phone. If society can regulate in one area it can regulate in others

[speechlesstx]

So, how many firearm homicides, how many firearm suicides and how many traffic fatalities? There were over 2600 traffic fatalities in Texas last year as the signs keep reminding us. We'd be much better dealing with irresponsible drivers in my opinion, I have to dodge them every day.

[excon]

Hello again,

In my view, if we got rid of cars, it would effect our lifestyle. If we got rid of guns, it wouldn't. Therefore, comparing the relative deaths caused by each, is STUPID, STUPID, and even STUPIDER than that..

If you wanna compare stuff, MAKE it COMPARABLE... Otherwise, it's just right wingers flapping their gums...

excon

[talaniman]

I see your logic now. Since you dodge irresponsible drivers every day, then you think its okay to dodge homicidal idiots everyday. Like you dodge solutions to real problems every day. That's a great strategy to holler loud and say NOTHING that can be a solution to the problem.

[speechlesstx]

When exactly was the last time you were shot at?

Meanwhile, this is part of the left's answer to solving gun violence, punish and traumatize little boys for being honest while berating parents for daring to allow their child to play with toys..

Zero Tolerance: Chicago School Officials Suspend 11-Year-Old Boy Under ‘Dangerous Weapons’ Policy for Voluntarily Turning in Non-Firing Toy Gun


February 06, 2014

CHICAGO, Il.— Criticizing Chicago school officials for being overzealous, misguided and incapable of distinguishing between an impotent toy and a dangerous weapon, The Rutherford Institute has come to the defense of an 11-year-old boy who was suspended from school after he voluntarily turned in a non-firing plastic toy gun that had been forgotten in his jacket pocket. Caden Cook, a sixth grader at Fredrick Funston Elementary School, was suspended for allegedly violating the school’s weapons policy against dangerous objects, in addition to being ordered to undergo counseling, and subjected to intimidation tactics, interrogation, and dire threats by school officials—all without his mother being present. Rutherford Institute attorneys have asked that the suspension be rescinded and all references to the incident be removed from Caden’s permanent school record.

“This case speaks volumes about what’s wrong with our public schools and public officials: rather than school officials showing they are capable of exercising good judgment, distinguishing between what is and is not a true threat, and preserving safety while steering clear of a lockdown mindset better suited to a prison environment, they instead opted to exhibit poor judgment, embrace heavy handed tactics, and treat a toy gun like a dangerous weapon,” said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute and author of A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State. “In the process, school officials sent a strong, chilling message to this child and his classmates that they have no rights in the American police state.”

Frederick Funston Elementary School introduced a random “pat down” to its security and screening procedures at the beginning of this school year. All students are physically separated from their bags and randomly chosen for a manual “pat down” before going through the metal detectors. Students’ bags are also separately searched at random. On Friday, January 31, 2014, sixth grader Caden Cook was waiting in the school line to be patted down when he realized that he had mistakenly left in his sweater pocket a toy plastic gun which he had played with the previous night while he was out with friends and family. Realizing his error and that the toy was a prohibited item on school grounds, Caden alerted the security personnel to his predicament, explaining that he had accidentally brought the plastic toy to school and relinquishing the toy to school security personnel. Instead of recognizing that Caden was attempting to do the right thing and acknowledging the mistake, school officials allegedly subjected the 11-year-old to intimidation tactics, interrogation, accusations of lying, and threats. All of this was done in the absence of Caden’s mother and without her having been informed of the incident. Upon her arrival, Caden’s mother was berated and criticized for allowing her son to use toy guys.

In coming to Caden’s defense, Rutherford Institute attorneys point out that Caden’s conduct does not rise to the level of serious disruptive behavior, given that he immediately alerted school officials to his accidental transgression and voluntarily turned in the toy once he realized his mistake, even prior to entering the screening area, nor does the plastic toy gun constitute a dangerous object by the school’s standards or anyone else’s.

I have a theory, that besides public school officials having been lobotomized, they're mad that we law abiding gun owners don't roll over for them so they use their Gestapo tactics on the kids. Get a grip people.

[Tuttyd]

" We would be better dealing with irresponsible drivers, in my opinion"

You would be better off dealing with both.

[paraclete]

The irresposnible attitudes that lead to gun violence and irratic auto use are symptoms of the same problem, this idea that the individual has greater importance than the society in which they live