[smoothy]

Hello again, Steve:

Yes, it was a BOTCHED low level operation.
excon

If it was a botched low level operation and Obama and his flunkies had no involvement, why is the White House invoking executive privilege?

[excon]

why is the White House invoking executive privledge?

Hello smoothy:

Because it's resisting the witch hunt. What? They should let the right wing congress rummage through their files?? Ain't happening.

Look... Tell me what CRIME Obama is suspected of committing, and what evidence you have, if any. But, you ain't got squat. You're just pissed that Romney is going to LOSE.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

I HAVE the answers..



You just don't LIKE them.

excon

Again, then what the hell is the most transparent administration ever hiding? Don't feed us that "resisting the witch hunt" crappola, PEOPLE DIED, families need ANSWERS.

[smoothy]

Hello smoothy:

Because it's resisting the witch hunt. What? They should let the right wing congress rummage through their files??? Ain't happening.

Look... Tell me what CRIME Obama is suspected of committing, and what evidence you have, if any. But, you ain't got squat. You're just pissed that Romney is gonna LOSE.

excon

THis administration hasn't hesitated to throw underlings under the bus before... if this IS a low level thing... the upper level people have nothing to hide and tossing the offenders under the bus would put it behind them quickly... but then, where there is smoke there is usually fire. Particularly with this historically opaque administration.


Valerie Plame was a witch hunt... this is anything BUT a witch hunt, there are mounds of dead bodies with this... and the pile keeps growing.

[tomder55]

Tell me what CRIME Obama is suspected of committing

My prediction is that the Mexican government will very soon hit the US government with RICO charges . What ? You don't think a conspiracy to give weapons to drug cartel terrorists that are used to gun down innocent Mexican civilians isn't Racketeering ? You don't think the coverup and possible pergury in testimony isn't ?

Yeah ,this will probably not be a major campaign issue because Romeny hasn't made it one ;and neither has the compliant press . But Watergate wasn't a big issue in 1972 either .

[excon]

You don't think the coverup and possible pergury in testimony isn't ?

Hello tom:

NO. Because what you think he covered up, is his plans to confiscate ALL the weapons during his second term... I DO NOT believe the government should HELP right wing NUTS dig in the dirt.

Exocn

[tomder55]

Hello tom:

NO. Because what you think he covered up, is his plans to confiscate ALL the weapons during his second term... I DO NOT believe the government should HELP right wing NUTS dig in the dirt.

Exocn

I don't wear a tin foil cap. This isn't about confiscation.

But clearly when Evita stands with the Mexican President and tells the lie that gun smuggling from the US is a factor in drug violence in Mexico ;... then the President spreads the falsehood that this war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, ...
Then we find out that the US government conspired to make it true... then one has to question the motivation.

Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers and civilians

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/wo.../26mexico.html


I think it has something to do with gun control that's true... but their plan falls short of confiscation. Their plan is for national standards of gun control with an emphasis on semi-automatic weapons.

[tomder55]

Drug cartel leader was captured with Fast & Furious weapons | The Daily Caller

[paraclete]

Drug cartel leader was captured with Fast & Furious weapons | The Daily Caller

Not sure what you are trying to prove here Tom the operation was successful in infiltrating the cartel? The drug dealers can't get weapons any other way? In any case it was a Bush era operation

[tomder55]

Not sure what you are trying to prove here Tom the operation was successful in infiltrating the cartel? the drug dealers can't get weapons any other way? In any case it was a Bush era operation

That is a fallacy the Obots are trying to spread. The gun walker program was a small operation conducted with the consent of the Mexican government. When they found that the guns could not be tracked as well as they had thought they immediately ended the program.

F&F was conducted without the Mexican govt knowledge on a much larger scale. There is no comparison between the 2 operations.

[excon]

There is no comparison between the 2 operations.

Hello again, tom:

For the purposes of THIS conversation there is ONE, and ONLY one comparison that's germane... And that is, NEITHER George W. Bush OR Barack Obama ordered them, or KNEW about them...

Your attempts to label EVERY misstep this president makes, as some grand conspiracy, takes the spotlight OFF the misstep and puts it on your sides wackyness.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Your attempts to label EVERY misstep this president makes, as some grand conspiracy, takes the spotlight OFF the misstep and puts it on your sides wackyness.

excon

Did you miss the Bush years?

[paraclete]

Don't miss them at all

[speechlesstx]

don't miss them at all

I didn't ask you and the word, I said "did" not "do" and the meaning is did you fail to notice people like ex pouncing on EVERY Bush misstep?

[speechlesstx]

Back to the OP for a second, even CNN is concluding the White House tried to cover up something on the terrorist attack on our consulate in Libya.

Of course some of us realize that's SOP for this administration, lies and coverups.

[tomder55]

The question is unknown how high up the ranks the approval went . I suspect at least ;despite the rather suspicious IG's investigation ,that Holder at least knew much more... and since it was across borders ,I'd be surprised if Evita did not have input.

[tomder55]

Back to the OP for a second, even CNN is concluding the White House tried to cover up something on the terrorist attack on our consulate in Libya.

Of course some of us realize that's SOP for this administration, lies and coverups.

Unconfirmed but credible evidence that Libyan 'rebels '/ jihadists are being recruited to take up arms with the 'Free Syria Army'. Speculation is that part of the cover-up is that Obama doesn't want the connection made between the recruited rebels and the attack on Ambassador Stevens .
Also ;the President and advisors like Samantha Power want to keep the policy of R2P credible ;and if it is proven that we assisted anti-American jihadists in regime change in Libya ,the policy would be thoroughly discredited .

[speechlesstx]

Eli Lake is still on the job. Turns out there were two bombings at the Benghazi consulate this year prior to the 9/11 terrorist attack, and "increasing threats to and attacks on the Libyan nationals hired to provide security at the U.S. missions in Tripoli and Benghazi."

Yep, that 9/11 attack was purely "spontaneous."

[tomder55]

Heard him on an interview this week. He has the goods but is only releasing what he knows when he has multiple confirmation of his information.

The Slimes is revealing tidbits of the truth
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/24/wo...pagewanted=all

But the dots have not been connected yet... the CIA presence in Benghazi... the attack on the compound (especially the safe house )... and the recruiting of jihadists for war against the Assad regime in Syria.

[talaniman]

I guess multiple confirmation is a bad thing.