[Tessy777]

AJ,

Seriously dude, you are wrong. How many ways can I say it? Tell you what, look me up in heaven I would LOVE to tell you... I TOLD YOU SO. In the mean time, not ONLY is my "heart facing the right way"... so is my faith and DOCTRINE. I hold no ill feelings toward you either...

[ActionJackson]

AJ,

Seriously dude, you are wrong. how many ways can I say it? Tell you what, look me up in heaven I would LOVE to tell you...I TOLD YOU SO. In the mean time, not ONLY is my "heart facing the right way"...so is my faith and DOCTRINE. I hold no ill feelings toward you either....

Seriously, chick, the Bible isn't wrong and I'm simply quoting it. I have quoted a bunch of verses that specifically say that to love God, we follow His commandments and yet you call me wrong. If I'm wrong then the verses I quoted are wrong. If they are wrong, then the Bible is wrong.

Fortunately for me, you won't be the judge... Christ will. Faith... okay; doctrine... no way. I'm sorry.

Take care.

[Wondergirl]

Both Old and New Testaments are an SOS.

OT = SOS (Shows Our Sin)

NT = SOS (Shows Our Savior)

[ActionJackson]

Both Old and New Testaments are an SOS.

OT = SOS (Shows Our Sin)

NT = SOS (Shows Our Savior)

I like that. I'll have to remember that. We do need both but without Christ, we would surely die in sin.

[Retrotia]

The 10 Commandments still stand form the Old Testament. The 4th Commandment doesn't require the weekly rest & worship day to be Saturday though.
That moral law was more for the Jews.
AJ- I don't care if you say different. You are probably a M-F working person anyway. Well, for 22 yrs. I was an RN & we have to work weekends. So, just as Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath-working & healing overrides any law about the strict sabbath observance.
See the article below:
What does Lord of the Sabbath mean?
But if you insist- then just call yourself a seventh-day adventist- & leave at that.

[Tessy777]

The 10 Commandments still stand form the Old Testament. The 4th Commandment doesn't require the weekly rest & worship day to be Saturday though.
That moral law was more for the Jews.
AJ- I don't care if you say different. You are probably a M-F working person anyway. Well, for 22 yrs. I was an RN & we have to work weekends. So, just as Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath-working & healing overrides any law about the strict sabbath observance.
See the article below:
What does Lord of the Sabbath mean?
But if you insist- then just call yourself a seventh-day adventist- & leave at that.

He must be a seventh-day adventist.. it is the only explanation. Talk about screwed up! Thank heavens I was raised in the truth. I may not be right about everything but I feel certain my doctrine is pretty sound... even if TV evangelists DO agree with me... most of the time. Lol

[NeedKarma]

Now, now, no fighting amongst you folks who are full of love.

[ordinaryguy]

He must be a seventh-day adventist.. it is the only explanation. Talk about screwed up! Thank heavens I was raised in the truth.

Luke 18:9-14 New King James Version

Also, he spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men--extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I posess.' And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God be merciful to me a sinner!'. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be abased, and he who humbles himself shall be exalted."

[Tessy777]

Ordinary guy,

I like AJ.. I believe him to be a true believer in Christ! I think his doctrine is wacky. That is my belief. Do I think I am better than him? No way. I like the guy... I just think he is wrong. I am NO pharisee. (and I was trying to get AJ a little riled up... I like him riled up but don't tell him that.)

[Retrotia]

Tessy,
I still consider AJ a brother though. Ordinary Guy is a self-confessed apostate. So, I would take it with a grain of salt. They stand like the left behind people pointing fingers, trying to the last Trump to see strife.

This was between Christians but they had no opinion.:(

[Tessy777]

Retrotia,

Thanks for the info. Geesh. People need to get a life.

[ordinaryguy]

But if you insist- then just call yourself a seventh-day adventist- & leave at that.

He must be a seventh-day adventist..it is the only explanation. Talk about screwed up! Thank heavens i was raised in the truth.

I still consider AJ a brother though.

I like AJ..i believe him to be a true believer in Christ! I think his doctrine is wacky. That is my belief. do I think I am better than him? no way. I like the guy...i just think he is wrong. I am NO pharisee. (and I was trying to get AJ a little riled up...i like him riled up but don't tell him that.)

Whether you despise ActionJackson, you certainly do seem to despise seventh-day adventists, whoever they are.

[ordinaryguy]

Tessy777 agrees: Your point?

I am NO pharisee.

So you did get my point, after all.

[ActionJackson]

The 10 Commandments still stand form the Old Testament. The 4th Commandment doesn't require the weekly rest & worship day to be Saturday though.
That moral law was more for the Jews.
AJ- I don't care if you say different. You are probably a M-F working person anyway. Well, for 22 yrs. I was an RN & we have to work weekends. So, just as Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath-working & healing overrides any law about the strict sabbath observance.
See the article below:
What does Lord of the Sabbath mean?
But if you insist- then just call yourself a seventh-day adventist- & leave at that.

Yeah, you got me... I'm just one of those Monday - Friday working dodos (not counting my 2nd Job). Even with two jobs, I sill rest as God would have all of us do. I agree that if someone is in need, it's better to help than to sit because it's the Sabbath. Even Christ ate the show bread and picked an ear of corn for food. And He said that if a cow fell into a ditch that anyone would pull it out of the ditch. However, we are still to rest our bodies and our minds and find a day when we can honor our Creator, Jesus Christ. If you choose not to honor Him that is your choice.

[laurenjd]

I hear some Christians say that God's Law or the 10 Commandments were nailed to the cross. Some say that we need to focus on Christ and stop focusing on the rules or the laws or the Old Testament. I believe that the laws of sacrificial offerings and animal sacrifices were nailed to the cross at the time of Christ's death but that we are still bound by the moral Laws or the 10 Commandments. I mean, is Thou shalt not steal one of the Laws that was nailed to the cross? What do you think?

In Matthew chapter 22, Jesus' disciples ask him what the greatest commandment is. He answers that the first is to love the Lord your God with all your heard, soul and mind. And the second is to love your neighbor as yorself. All the Law and Prophets hang on these two commandments. So really, it doesn't matter if we are officially supposed to be going by the 10 commandments. If you follow those two commandments, you'd never sin anyway!

[Tessy777]

In Matthew chapter 22, Jesus' disciples ask him what the greatest commandment is. He answers that the first is to love the Lord your God with all your heard, soul and mind. And the second is to love your neighbor as yorself. All the Law and Prophets hang on these two commandments. So really, it doesn't matter if we are officially suppossed to be going by the 10 commandments. If you follow those two commandments, you'd never sin anyway!

I disagree. I think it does matter and the Apostle Paul surely thought it mattered. I say this in a lot of my posts.. when you read the Word you have to first see who the person is talking to. Jesus for instants, is talking to the Jewish people, that is who he came for and they rejected him. The Bible would contradict itself if we don't learn to see who the books were written to. They are for us all but they are written directly to people. Paul writes many books to the Church.. those are directly written to us. Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are not "Christian" books. They are very Jewish in fact the Gospel is not in them. It is called rightly dividing the word.. not pulling things out of context.

[Hope12]

Hello Everyone,

If we were still -under the Law of Moses, every time someone commits fornication or adultery, we would see an awful lot of stoning being done all over this world.

That though does not mean that we do not still live our life as a Christian under the "Principles" of those laws. Christ came and gave the law a lift to higher standards. How? By adding the two greatest of all "Commandments or laws" To love our God with all our heart and our neighbor as ourself.

In his famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus stated: “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill.” Matt. 5:17

Or, as Today’s English Version renders the last sentence: “I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true.” Since Jesus came to make the teachings of the prophets come true, his coming was a guarantee that their prophecies concerning the law would be fulfilled.

Here are just a few: Psalms 37:11, 29; 72:1-8,16-19; 115:16; Isaiah 9:6, 7; 11:1-10; 45:18; Daniel 2:34, 35, 44, 45; 7:13, 14.

Jesus gave us the law of love. If one loves their God with all their heart, mind and soul, and their neighbor as themselves, that love covers the principles of the law of Moses, and the Law of Christ. How?

If one truly love God and their neighbor that covers all things because love does not steal, lie, kill, or any other hateful thing.

Notice how love covers everything that both the Principles of the Ten Commandments and the Law of Christ.

1 Corinthians 13:1-8
13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a sounding [piece of] brass or a clashing cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophesying and am acquainted with all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to transplant mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my belongings to feed others, and if I hand over my body, that I may boast, but do not have love, I am not profited at all.

4 Love is long-suffering and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, does not get puffed up, 5 does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. 6 It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails.

So as Christian if we have love, we would obey both divine principles and the laws of Christ. We though are not under the ten commandments. These were for the Jews before Christ. Christ fulfilled the ten commandment and now we are under the Covenant or laws of Christ based on LOVE and enclude the devine principles of the ten commandments but does not require obedence to the ten commandment as the ancient Jew were commanded to obey. The law of Christ is superior because evey if one obeys all the ten commandments and all the other 600 laws the Jews had, and does not have love, it is of no value.

Rember 1 "Corinthian 13:1
1- If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a sounding [piece of] brass or a clashing cymbal"


Take care,
Hope12

[DMRH]

Hello Everyone,

In his famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus stated: “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill.” Matt. 5:17

Or, as Today’s English Version renders the last sentence: “I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true.” Since Jesus came to make the teachings of the prophets come true, his coming was a guarantee that their prophecies concerning the law would be fulfilled.



Take care,
Hope12

Have read this entire post with zeal & can argue easily that "HOPE12" is the one on the right track. However, by the sheer participation from all, it proves that we all seek the truth & as forward thinking Christians, are willing to debate topics without resorting to childish antics. Shall we fulfill the Jewish tradition where "If two jews in a room talk religion, they will walk away with three opinions". No, let us be equal in our understanding of what we have been taught & be open minded to those that show by their fruits that they have much to offer.

It took quite some time but finally MAT 5:17 was brought out & none of us can deny the words of our Messiah can we.

There are two basic witnesses to the Bible. The old & the new, the Father & the Son. We know that the son always spoke for his father so we know that the old is relevant alongside the new. What was fulfilled is no more but what was left behind still stands.

We read about the abolition of the law in Acts, Romans, Galatians etc but we all know that the true-law was totally polluted by the Jews by that time hence the desire for Christians of the day to distance themselves. The light of the Holy Spirit easily exposed the failings of this polluted law. The new covenant was the way out of this life-of-misery fear campaign that the Pharisees had imposed.

True, that by faith in Christ & through the Holy Spirit we shall be redeemed. However that same Spirit holds us naturally within the law by love rather than fear, but we are never above it & if walking with Christ we shall not be below it either.

It is written that all works of scripture is "inspired" so what hasn't been fulfilled on the cross is still relevant but just not approached in the same manner as before Christ.

In saying this, I'll leave the final words to our Messiah again in his very last documented vissionary appearance.

REV 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus

God Bless

[homesell]

The whole of the Law is summed up in LOVE GOD, LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR. If you have sinned, you have not loved. If you have loved, you have not sinned. "For whatever is done that is NOT of the (Holy) Spirit, IS SIN.
Sinning basically is not loving (either God, neighbor or both) and breaks the ten commandments in some way.
Since christians are not under law but under Grace, we cannot break the law but we CAN (and do) fail to love always, which would break the Law IF we were under it. Now the Law for us is a guide to show us how to live so that we love and points us to Christ, who loved at all times and never violated the Law which he was under.

[lambsev]

There is a tremendous move by some today to return to the works of the law law for some sense of accomplishment that pleases God, or that comforts ones need for self esteem. But the Bible cleary shows that in our flesh dwelles no good thing. With out the salvation of Messiah Yeshua (Christ Jesus) we are without hope in this world or in the next. But with Yeshua we receive grace, SAVING grace and the Holy Spirit who together give us power over sin and death. TY Lord!! If we are to be humble we will study the word and see that all our obedience is insufficient to save us, we simple stand in need of God's endless mercy and grace, that grace being so wonderfully summed up in the blood Yeshua shed for us on Golgotha nearly 2000 years ago. Now that we know the truth and are set free, John 8:31 and 32 we are free to love God and our neighbor with all our being(s). This Spirit led life will keep us in a continual and progressive state of sanctification leading us in an ever increasing measure of holiness and perfection. When we sin, our enlivened consciences will twll us we have sinned, and we will then rejoice that yeshua forgives us for the sin. It will be the advrsary who seeks to drag us back into a system of legalism in which we will think our deeds of the law gain us some favor with God which will save us. The scripture is clear: Hebrews 11:6 He that cometh to God must BELIEVE thet He is and is a rewarder of them that dilligently seek Him. Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.John 6:29 Read all of John 6, and all of Romans, Galatians and Hebrews until the dawn breaks: We are free indeed.