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    Sep 17, 2024, 04:12 AM
    House Majority Leader Hakeem Jefferies reaction, posted well after the news of the assassination attempt.

    "Extreme MAGA Republicans are the party of a national abortion ban and Trump’s Project 2025,""We must stop them."Hakeem Jeffries they must be stopped - Search / X
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    Sep 17, 2024, 05:14 AM
    Amazing how his over-the-top language is predicated on two blatant lies.
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    Sep 17, 2024, 05:59 AM
    USA Today published this editorial

    There is no place in politics for violence. That said, the former president, Donald Trump, brings a lot of this stuff on himself.

    Trump's second assassination attempt was brought on by his own lies (cincinnati.com)

    JD Vance's post on X hits both of my topics today . The left's double standard on political violence and rhetoric ;and censorship .

    Yesterday, Donald J. Trump nearly lost his life. An armed gunman waited for him in the bushes. He brought a go-pro camera to record it. A secret service agent spotted the barrel of a gun through a fence and shot at the gunman. The gunman fled. He was caught. And now we slowly learn about him and his motive.President Trump is my running mate, and my friend, but he is more importantly a father and grandfather to people who love him very much. I want him to have many more years with his family. (And selfishly, I'd like many more with my own.)I admire the president for calling for peace and calm. The rhetoric is out of control. It nearly got Steve Scalise and many others killed a few years ago. It nearly got Donald Trump killed twice. But I want to say something about yesterday's news, and how it illuminates the difference between vigorous debate and violent rhetoric.Here is what we know so far: Kamala Harris has said that "Democracy is on the line" in her race against President Trump. The gunman agreed, and used the exact same phrase. He had a Kamala Harris bumper sticker on his truck. He was obsessed with Ukraine's "fight for Democracy" and absorbed many unhinged views about the Russia-Ukraine war. HIs name is Ryan Routh, and he donated 19 times to Democrat causes and zero to Republican ones.How do you think the Democrats and their media allies would respond if a 19-time Republican donor tried to kill a Democratic official? It's a question that answers itself. For years, Kamala Harris's campaign surrogates have said things like "Trump has to be eliminated." And how have their media allies responded to the second assassination attempt on Donald Trump in as many months?NBC News called the attempted assassination a "golf club incident." The LA Times told us "Trump Targeted at Golf Club." The USA Today's top of the fold headline is "Hope in America," and they published a preposterous letter to the editor arguing that Trump "brings these assassination attempts on himself." CNN's Dana Bash--who just yesterday bizarrely accused me of inciting a bomb threat--said today that Harris campaign rhetoric didn't motivate Routh even though he echoed their rhetoric explicitly.PBS's weekend show perfectly illustrates the double standard of Kamala Harris's media friends. After spending 30 seconds on the second assassination attempt on President Trump, they then focused on the real danger: me and President Trump, who are, according to them, personally responsible for bomb threats against Springfield. Of course, I repeatedly condemend those threats. And reports today suggest they came from a foreign country, not--as the media suggested--a deranged Trump fan.The double standard is breathtaking. Donald Trump and I are, by their account, directly responsible for bomb threats from foreign countries. Why? Because we had the audacity to repeat what residents told us about the problems in their town. Meanwhile, Harris allies call for Trump to be eliminated as the media publishes arguments that he deserved to be shot.This seems like a double standard. But at a deep level, it is entirely consistent.Consider Springfield. Citizens are telling us that there are problems. These include the undeniable truths of higher car accidents, unaffordable housing, evictions of residents, overcrowded hospitals, overstressed schools, and rising rates of disease. They also include the infamous pet stories--which, again, multiple people have spoken about (either on video or to me or my staff).Kamala Harris's first strategy was to ignore these people and their concerns. Yes, she had prevented the deportation of millions of illegal aliens, and some of them made their way to Springfield. But it was a small town with no voice. Some of the local leadership even loved the cheap labor. So the suffering of thousands of American citizens went ignored.Their next move with these stories is censorship. In Springfield, a psychopath (or a foreign government) calls in a bomb threat, so they blame that on President Trump (and me). The threat of violence is disgraceful of course, yet the media seems to relish it. They cover a bomb threat, but not the rise in murders. They cover the threat, but not the HIV uptick. They cover the threat, not the schools overwhelmed with new kids who don't speak English. They cover the threat, not rising insurance rates or the car accidents that caused them. They cover the threat, not the failures of Kamala Harris's leadership.The purpose is not to turn down the rhetoric. If anything, covering the bomb threats gives whoever makes them exactly what he wants: attention. The purpose is distraction and shame. How dare you talk about the problems of Haitian migration in Springfield? You're endangering people, simply by discussing the problems of Kamala Harris's policies. It's a form of moral blackmail, designed not to make anyone safe but to shut everyone up.Springfield is the most recent, but hardly the most egregious example. There was the Hunter Biden laptop story, censored by BigTech. And who can forget that anyone who didn't support Kamala Harris's Ukraine policy was drenched in the blood of Ukrainian children. That last one appears to have had some effect on Routh--the most recent would-be assassin. The message is always the same: don't you dare express an opinion on the public affairs of your nation. The message is: shut up.This is the difference between debate--even aggressive debate--and censorship. It is one thing to attack Kamala Harris for "destroying the country" and quite another to say that President Trump should be "eliminated." It is one thing to criticize overheated rhetoric, and another to say that a former president has invited an assassination on himself. It is one thing to say that Donald J. Trump's arguments about the election of 2020 are wrong; it is another thing to attempt to remove him from the ballot over it.It is one thing to say that pets are not, in fact being eaten, and another thing to say that anyone who disagrees is trying to murder people. Dissent, even vigorous dissent, is a great tradition of the United States. Censorship is not.For the next 7 weeks of this campaign, I will vigorously defend your right to speak your mind. I believe you have every right to criticize me and Donald J. Trump, even if you say terrible or untrue things about us. But when I ask you to "tone down the rhetoric" it's not about being nice--our citizens have every right to be mean, even if I don't like it--or empty platitudes.Instead, I'm asking all of us to reject censorship. Reject the idea that you can control what other people think and say. Embrace persuasion of your fellow citizens over silencing them--either through the powers of Big Tech or through moral blackmail.I think this will make our public debate much better. But there's something else. Reject censorship and you reject political violence. Embrace censorship, and you will inevitably embrace violence on its behalf.The reason is simple. The logic of censorship leads directly to one place, for there is only one way to permanently silence a human being: put a bullet in his brain.
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    Sep 17, 2024, 07:01 AM
    Fla Guv DeSantis says Fla will conduct it's own criminal investigation of the assassination attempt because the same Feds who are trying to put Trump in jail cannot be trusted to do the job.

    “I mean, I look at the federal government with all due respect to them, you know, those same agencies that are prosecuting Trump in that jurisdiction are now going to be investigating this. I just think that that may not be the best thing for this country.

    Gov. DeSantis calls for state investigation into attempted assassination of former President Trump – Action News Jax

    State AG Ashley Moody just hit it out of the park !!

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    Sep 17, 2024, 09:05 AM
    Why did BOTH shooters miss? Hmm....
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    Sep 17, 2024, 09:59 AM
    One did not shoot because Secret Service shot first . The other "missed " (clipped his ear) by the grace of God and Trump turning his head to look at a video monitor .

    Disappointed ?
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    Sep 17, 2024, 12:58 PM
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    Sep 17, 2024, 03:29 PM
    Why did BOTH shooters miss? Hmm....
    Good grief. Conspiracy theorist, are you now? Do you have your QAnon card yet?

    In the meantime, under the heading of things we should actually be concerned about, 57 days have now passed since the Democrat National Convention ended. In those 57 days, if Ms. Harris had held five more press conferences, she would now have a total of...five press conferences. There have been two more assassination attempts on Mr. Trump than she has done press conferences. I'd say that could very well deserve a place in the Guiness Book!
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    Sep 17, 2024, 03:40 PM
    After saying that Trump should be doing what he can to "calm the waters", Hillary then said Monday that Donald Trump is a “danger to our country and the world” — just one day after a gunman was foiled in his bid to shoot the former president. Might want to take your own advice, Ms. Clinton.
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    Sep 17, 2024, 03:44 PM
    She's one to talk . The bodies littered around the landscape by the Clinton Crime family would make John Gotti proud .
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    Sep 17, 2024, 05:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    ...Trump should be doing what he can to "calm the Donald Trump is a danger to our country and the world”
    Wasn't Trump the one who said that, if we vote him in as.president on November 5, we'll never have to vote again. Huh? Please explain.
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    Sep 17, 2024, 05:34 PM
    Wasn't Trump the one who said that, if we vote him in as.president on November 5, we'll never have to vote again. Huh? Please explain.
    He didn't refer to "we". He was speaking to a Christian gathering. You can read the explanation here. It took about five minutes to find it.

    PolitiFact | In Context: Donald Trump tells Christians they 'won't have to vote anymore'

    She's one to talk . The bodies littered around the landscape by the Clinton Crime family would make John Gotti proud .
    Well said, Tom.
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    Sep 18, 2024, 01:33 AM
    Chris Cuomo called out those who have "downplayed " the assassination attempt .

    Chris Cuomo called Donald Trump after second attempt on his life | CUOMO (youtube.com)

    “What if it was your father? Or what if it was Kamala Harris or President Biden? God forbid,” “Do you think that it would be almost a shoulder shrug and more of talk about the Secret Service and allocation of funds, than just, how crazy it is that this is what’s happening in our country?”
    Addressing those who say, “But the guy didn’t even shoot,” “He had an AK-47 pointed at him.”
    “The reaction is unacceptable,” “And it’s the second time media and political players have gotten away with playing down what should be a cause for panic.”

    Um Chris by using the words "playing down" you are down playing the Dems and compliant press reaction . They are blaming Trump for being the target of an assassin.


    Oh and Chris ....... Elon Musk is not one of our leaders. He is a business man who is very good at making creative products . Have you praised him as taking Twitter and making it the only major platform that believes in free speech ?
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    Sep 18, 2024, 03:18 AM
    Ryan Routh the would be assassin has traveled to Ukraine and fought with the Ukraine forces against the Russians. Knowing that Trump's position is to end the war ;was Routh in contact with anyone foreign or domestic who supported him or encouraged him to attack Trump ? In other words ;with Ukraine almost certain to lose will we see blowback against the West by disillusioned Ukrainians and their supporters who feel their efforts were undermined by Trump and others opposed to our intervention ?

    How did he know that Trump would be playing golf at that club at that time ? Even stipulating that Trump probably will be playing golf ,how is it that Secret Service did not sweep the course and secure it before Trump teed up ? All it would take is some drone eyes in the sky to sweep the whole course in a short time.

    How irresponsible is the administration to claim they can't protect Trump because Secret Service is underfunded and over worked !!!!! Somehow they manage to protect EVERYONE ELSE they are tasked with protecting .
    Biden administration asks Congress to surge Secret Service funding in "anomaly" request - CBS News
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    Sep 18, 2024, 03:26 AM
    Meanwhile MSNBC again blames Trump for being shot at .

    Apparent Trump assassination attempt shows need for less heated rhetoric (msnbc.com)
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    Sep 18, 2024, 04:57 AM
    Less heated rhetoric is certainly needed on the repub side. As to the dems, MSNBC has no issues with their vile words about Trump. This was posted several months ago by KH.Name:  hitleraaa.jpeg
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    Sep 18, 2024, 09:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    He didn't refer to "we". He was speaking to a Christian gathering. You can read the explanation here. It took about five minutes to find it.
    It was on tv. He was talking to tv watchers. "If you vote for me in November, you won't ever have to vote again".
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    Sep 18, 2024, 10:05 AM
    Simply stated many Christians support him but don't vote. They have their head in heavenly pursuits ."Live in this world, but not of this world,”

    Why We Do Not Vote (sabbath.org)

    Why Christians Are Not Morally Obligated to Vote (thegospelcoalition.org)

    My Faith Votes | 4 Reasons Disengaged Christians Don’t Vote and How to Change That

    Why I Don’t Vote (and probably never will) - Unfeigned Christianity (asherwitmer.com)

    What Trump was saying was that if they voted for him just this one time he would fix everything so they would not need to vote again.

    But the Dems and compliant press are good at taking segments of what is said and then distort it to comply with their preconceived narrative . So you have Trump's line being spun as 'see he wants to be a dictator '

    It is not different than the "blood bath " quote being turned into a promise of violence if he loses even though he was using the term ;as many Dems have used it in the past to speak of economic consequences of a failed policy .
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    Sep 18, 2024, 10:33 AM
    He wasn't addressing only Christians.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bzmvVr2uKIc

    I'm a Christian. If he's elected, why won't I ever have to vote again?
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    Sep 18, 2024, 11:38 AM
    lol Marc Elias is a lawyer frequently working for the Dems . He was Evita's General Council during her 2016 run. Paige Moscowitz is a social media manager They both are in 'Democracy Docket ' a site Elias created .

    It has been described as liberal-leaning and progressive.
    Democracy Docket - Wikipedia

    Yes he was ONLY addressing Christians . He was at the 'Believers Summit ' that was organized by Turning Point USA . The organization was founded by conservative activist Charlie Kirk .It's goal is have a conservative reach out to youth ;especially in college.
    Turning Point USA - Wikipedia

    I assure you Trump was catering his comments to those in attendance. I doubt there were any libs there except for maybe a troll with a recording device so Trump's comments could be sliced and diced to take out of context.

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