[waltero]

How does one explain that God is in a book, in pages?
One cannot.

Exactly. It is unexplorable when listening with your Eyes.

[jlisenbe]

Exactly. It is unexplorable when listening with your Eyes.

Woowwwww! That's really deep! It makes not one ounce of sense, however. Not one ounce. It's a completely ridiculous statement.

[Wondergirl]

Woowwwww! That's really deep! It makes not one ounce of sense, however. Not one ounce. It's a completely ridiculous statement.

I think he means, "It is unexplorable when listening with your Eyes [reading], not with your Ears [hearing]."

[jlisenbe]

Does that make sense to you?

[waltero]

It is unexplorable when listening with your Eyes.

I'll explain it then; You are looking at the surface. In scripture we have "not one jot or tittle..." we have the lambs Book of Life.



Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

Read about the Book that nobody in heaven or on earth can open...everything written in that book will come to pass.

I enCOURAGE you to open the one book that was written specifically for us. It is alive.

[Wondergirl]

Does that make sense to you?

Rom. 10:17, So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Christ sends out His representatives to preach the Gospel. Those who hear it have the opportunity to believe. Those who believe call on Christ. And all who call on the name of Christ will be saved.

Hearing the Word (enthsiastically) preached is much a more effective way to receive faith than (with no understanding) reading the Word alone at one's kitchen table.

[waltero]

Every word of God brings life. God spoke it, we wrote it, and it will all come to pass. It is alive...it is his living world.

Only he can bring it to life. And he already has, through Jesus. We wrote it Jesus spoke it.

[jlisenbe]

I'll explain it then; You are looking at the surface. In scripture we have "not one jot or tittle..." we have the lambs Book of Life.

Your "jot or tittle" reference is far removed from the meaning given it in scripture. The meaning in Scripture is that we dare not ignore even the smallest teaching in the Bible.

Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

Read about the Book that nobody in heaven or on earth can open...everything written in that book will come to pass.

I enCOURAGE you to open the one book that was written specifically for us. It is alive.

I have no doubt that I have read the Bible ten or twenty times more than you. It's why I can refer to it routinely and you cannot.

There is no book that nobody in heaven or on earth can open. Read your Bible more carefully.

Rom. 10:17, So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Christ sends out His representatives to preach the Gospel. Those who hear it have the opportunity to believe. Those who believe call on Christ. And all who call on the name of Christ will be saved.

None of which has anything to do with Walter's incoherent comment.

[Wondergirl]

None of which has anything to do with Walter's incoherent comment.

But my explanation* does help this revision** of what he said:

*Hearing the Word (enthusiastically) preached is much a more effective way to receive faith than (with no understanding) reading the Word alone at one's kitchen table.

**"It is unexplorable when listening with your Eyes [reading], not with your Ears [hearing]."

[waltero]

It's why I can refer to it routinely and you cannot.

2 Corinthians 4:4 “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”

Is it right out of the Bible? Maybe that is your problem? You won't recognize it unless it's associated with a numbered verse and chapter.

I have no doubt that I have read the Bible ten or twenty times more than you.

Okay, so you can read. Can you live it or let it live in you? No - you can't. Because you don't understand it as being the living Word (Jesus)? that offers its life to you.

[jlisenbe]

*Hearing the Word (enthsiastically) preached is much a more effective way to receive faith than (with no understanding) reading the Word alone at one's kitchen table.

I don't agree with that. I have always received far more from my own devotionals than from preaching, but I realize that is not true for everyone. I don't really care if the preaching is "enthsiastical" or not so much as it is based on the Word and Spirit led.

I really like to see the way God repeats various truth in different places in the Bible. It gives me great confidence in those truths.

Is it right out of the Bible? Maybe that is your problem? You won't recognize it unless it's associated with a numbered verse and chapter.

I do like to see people make reference to the Bible rather than their own ideas. Do you?

Okay, so you can read. Can you live it or let it live in you? No - you can't. Because you don't understand it as the living Word (Jesus)?the life

Mr. judgmental strikes again. It's sad how you get so angry when someone just doesn't automatically accept your ideas.

[waltero]

I do like to see people make reference to the Bible rather than their own ideas. Do you?

Sure, it might help me do my research. Here, when quoting a Bible verse, It is only so people can dissect it and pick it apart.
Take Satan for example: He quoted a Bible verse. Now we know everything Satan says is a lie. So was that Bible verse that he quoted a lie...of course not. It was the spirit in which he spoke it...he was using it for death (so to speak). There are those Christians that would believe it to be true. Not fearing (when being offered - jumping to their death, as opposed to recanting their faith in Jesus/living word.

Mr. judgmental strikes again.

Let the Word live to me O-Lord. You simply don't understand the Bible. Every word written and or spoken regarding the Bible is alive.

[jlisenbe]

Sure, it might help me do my research

You think it might??

You simply don't understand the Bible.

You mean the one that you don't know, and that you think "might help" you?

You really need to stop all the bluster and start thinking about what you are saying. To say that, "Every word written or spoken regarding the Bible is alive," is just absurd. To believe that would make everything Joseph Smith taught about the Bible to be "alive", or everything the JW's have written about the Bible is "alive". Surely you don't really believe that. Is everything everyone here has written "regarding" the Bible to be considered "alive"? Really??? I really can't believe you truly believe something that bizarre.

[waltero]

To believe that would make everything Joseph Smith taught about the Bible to be "alive",

Yes, Yes, Now you're getting it...Do you think he might have given birth to sin? Sin is alive as well.
We are Sin. We give birth to sin once we (think) open our mouths. Nothing we speak is going to survive. There is no life/ truth in what we speak or think.

When God Speaks, It brings true life. It gives life to all who will live with his word for all eternity. When God speaks of a coming Messiah, his very word Brought a messiah into being.

God speaks and his Word is true and alive. It brings life into existence. And to go one step further, God defeated Sin with sin.
Has much to do with Sinful Men bringing God's word into their lives. That's why the entire OT is full of Jesus. The very fact that man spoke (God's word) brought it about in their lives...And they rarely, if ever, knew what they were saying...Proving God's word is alive. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. God's Word is Life. God's Word brings everything into being...there is only God's word,,, that is all. There is nothing else.

Which is better, to believe God's word (scripture) is a living Word (something so bizarre)? Or to believe whatever your mind is able to rationalize?

“It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

[jlisenbe]

Thus sayeth Walter.

There is no truth in what we speak or think.

Come on, Walter. That's foolishness. If you really believe that, then you will never speak or think another word.

Which is better, to believe God's word (scripture) is a living Word (something so bizarre)? Or to believe whatever your mind is able to rationalize?

We need to believe God's word and we need to be able to apply good thinking.

Titus 1. 7 For the [a]overseer must be above reproach as God’s steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, 8 but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled, 9 holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.

Is. 1:18. “Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, “Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.

My "bizarre" comment was about this absurd idea of yours. "Every word written or spoken regarding the Bible is alive," It is just ridiculous. And then to justify it you try to assert that you meant sin is alive. Good grief.

Sometimes I think your biggest problem is in trying to put your thoughts into words. I can't believe you really consider much of what you write is true. I'd love to see you become more careful and thoughtful in expressing your thoughts.

[waltero]

If you really believe that, then you will never speak or think another word.

as if that has never happened?

There is no truth in what we speak or think.

Yeah, that's why God isn't going to do away with all this. Don't you know all of this is going to die, be wiped away? In the end, there is no you, there is no word other than the living Word (Jesus) of God. There is only Jesus. We are in Jesus. Jesus is it.

If you know of Satan and him being the Worship leader at one time, there was a Job opening. Jesus is the worship leader now. When Time is done, we (in Jesus) will Worship God for all eternity. We will give (sing) praise to God...that is all...I'm good with that.

[jlisenbe]

But since you are speaking (writing) those words, should I consider them to contain "no truth"? After all, "There is no truth in what we speak." And that being the case, would it not basically amount to lying?

Jesus is the object of worship. But I certainly would agree that giving praise to God will be a glorious undertaking.

[waltero]

But since you are speaking (writing) those words, should I consider them to contain "no truth"? After all, "There is no truth in what we speak."

Oh come on, would you please STOP! You know what was meant. We can Speak on our own (as you can see what's going on in the world today... man's word in action) or we can speak the Words of truth, that comes from God. You being a preacher should know exactly what it is I'm getting at. Do you not worry when giving a sermon that you might speak using your own words? Don't worry about what you're going to say...I will give you the words I want you to say.

[jlisenbe]

As I have said, I am very careful with my words. That you are not is on you. Again, I would encourage you to begin to be more careful.

We can Speak on our own (as you can see what's going on in the world today... man's word in action) or we can speak the Words of truth, that comes from God.

I completely agree with that well expressed belief.

[waltero]

As I have said, I am very careful with my words.

I'm not so sure of that...your responses tell otherwise. For Example: when I said; "There is no truth in what we speak or think."
Your response; "Come on, Walter. That's foolishness."

I stated something that you didn't understand. You didn't understand because you might have been thinking Carnally (not Bible-based). Only until I mentioned: "We can Speak on our own (as you can see what's going on in the world today... man's word in action) or we can speak the Words of truth, that come from God."... Did you understand. It doesn't make my first statement false. Yet you jumped to an early conclusion, without making reference to God's Word/Bible. There is a living Spirit in the Word/Bible. Its meaning is more than simply quoting scripture.