[jlisenbe]

Yet another well-reasoned, logical, coherent response about heads exploding, racist delusions, "meaning less lies", and scoundrels.

[talaniman]

Thank you! Bout time you figured it out.

[jlisenbe]

You can certainly be assured that I have it figured out.

[talaniman]

Care to share?

[jlisenbe]

Sure. I tallied fifteen or so accomplishments of the Trump admin. You could not contradict any of them, so you just went off on an incoherent rant.

[talaniman]

In my neighborhood we don't pat ourselves on the back, and you only get credit for a job well done after the job has been well done. I'm on record on this forum for that regarding past presidents. To your list specifically

1. Record low unemployment figures. Did US Unemployment Reach Record Low Due to Trump? (snopes.com)

The president rightly takes credit for having low unemployment during his presidency. In December of 2019, the unemployment rate was a scant 3.5 percent, the lowest it had been in 50 years.
However, as good as that number was, when Trump took office the rate was already at 4.7 percent. That figure is quite low by historical standards (lower than all of the 1980s as well as most of the 1990s and 2000s). In December of 2017, it was the lowest the number had been since the Great Recession. In fact, Obama saw a much steeper drop in unemployment in his second term, a 3.3 drop in the rate, than Trump did in his first three years, a decline of 1.2 points.

2. Substantial economic growth. Trump’s Economic Scorecard: 3 Years In Office (forbes.com)

3. Substantial growth in manufacturing jobs, far, far more than Obama ever had.
Fact-check: Did Trump overstate manufacturing job gains during debate? (statesman.com)

4. Appointment of fed judges who actually value the Constitution and rule of law.
TBD

5. Got rid of the useless Paris Climate Accords.
To be rectified

6. Got rid of a useless treaty with Iran.
To be renegotiated

7. At least made a start on a southern wall in order to control illegal immigration.
YUP!

8. Moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.
PFFFT

9. Fast tracked COVID vaccine.
Under discussion

10. Drew down overseas troop deployments.
One I can give you...good or bad.

11. Substantially increased U.S. exports.
Trump's War on US Exports | PIIE

12. Growth in the stock market.
OKAY? Even with the trillions of dollars of infusion by Fed....

13. Kept N. Korea under control. Threat from nuclear weapons has grown under Trump administration | The Independent

14. Achieved American energy independence. The REAL story

15. Held the American economy together during COVID epidemic and surpassed predictions in lowering unemployment BY FAR.

Sure with trillions in bailouts which ain't a bad thing, but are expiring in the next few weeks unless the congress acts again.

[paraclete]

sounds like you are a Trump fan Tal if a little reluctant. No list like that could be produced for Obumma

[Wondergirl]

sounds like you are a Trump fan Tal if a little reluctant. No list like that could be produced for Obumma

It's jlisenbe's list with TAL's comments for each.

[paraclete]

yes but it seems like he agrees

[Wondergirl]

yes but it seems like he agrees

Where?

[jlisenbe]

OK. Just to humor you, I looked at your first three links. As is always the case, they prove...NOTHING. The Snopes article admitted that unemployment was at record lows, but refused to attribute it to Trump. That it happened in Trump's first term in indisputable.

As to the second point, that we had substantial economic growth in his first three years was not even disputed, so what was the point? And right in middle of the article was this: "Unemployment rate is about as low as it can go." Did you see that?

As to the third point, you have somewhat of an issue there. There is no question but that manufacturing has grown substantially under Trump. In fact, 2019 was the best year in the past 30 years. "U.S. enjoys best manufacturing jobs growth of the last 30 years."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ma...ago-2019-01-04

[Wondergirl]

...despite Trump.

[talaniman]

OK. Just to humor you, I looked at your first three links. As is always the case, they prove...NOTHING. The Snopes article admitted that unemployment was at record lows, but refused to attribute it to Trump. That it happened in Trump's first term in indisputable.

As to the second point, that we had substantial economic growth in his first three years was not even disputed, so what was the point? And right in middle of the article was this: "Unemployment rate is about as low as it can go." Did you see that?

LOL, Obama brought the rate to 4.7 after the recession highs, but the dufus dropping it down a point gives him credit for record lows. You wingers are LOONY!

BREAKING NEWS

Supreme Court denies Trump allies’ bid to overturn Pennsylvania election results (msn.com)

He had his chance for his day in court but he blew it for lack of evidence.

Supreme Court unlikely to help Donald Trump's allies overturn election (usatoday.com)

[paraclete]

Why post an old link, acknowledged there were positives during Trump's term, and now we will see what positives Biden will round up, reducing covid deaths would be a big plus

[talaniman]

Why post an old link, acknowledged there were positives during Trump's term, and now we will see what positives Biden will round up, reducing covid deaths would be a big plus

I'm throwing rocks at JL, maybe you should duck! Hard to give a selfish lying, cheating dufus any credit while he carries on with this shameless attempt to subvert the will of the people. State repubs aren't doing what he dictates and neither is his new fixer Barr, or his handpicked SCOTUS.

[jlisenbe]

gives him credit for record lows

Perhaps that is because...he set records for low unemployment figures? You think?

[talaniman]

He couldn't have done what he done without Obama doing what he did could he? Like the repub dufus before him, this repub dufus leaves with a mess the new guy has to clean up.

Will you give this dufus credit for that?

[jlisenbe]

He couldn't have done what he done without Obama doing what he did could he?

No one has suggested otherwise, but that does not mean that the economy did not set records for low unemployment under his four years.

As to leaving a mess, that is really a crazy statement. Have you heard of the COVID virus that has messed up the entire world's economy? And aren't you the guy who has been loudly claiming that we have been paying TOO MUCH attention to the economy???

TDS. The symptoms are very clear.

[talaniman]

No one has suggested otherwise, but that does not mean that the economy did not set records for low unemployment under his four years.

If I started on 3rd base I could score too! If HC had been elected, she would have set records too!

As to leaving a mess, that is really a crazy statement. Have you heard of the COVID virus that has messed up the entire world's economy? And aren't you the guy who has been loudly claiming that we have been paying TOO MUCH attention to the economy???

I don't fault the storm that we ran into, just the reaction too it.

TDS. The symptoms are very clear.

Is that as bad as SSDUDA? I doubt it. My symptoms have cleared and I hope yours do to.

[jlisenbe]

If I started on 3rd base I could score too! If HC had been elected, she would have set records too!

Obama had eight years and didn't get it done. HC would have done it? Sure she would have.

Is that as bad as SSDUDA? I doubt it. My symptoms have cleared and I hope yours do to.

Nah. One is a recognized malady that actually has a Wikipedia page, and you have an abundance of symptoms. The other is just an dumb comment.