[talaniman]

Should I take your word for anything in your post? Love to but please post a link.

[jlisenbe]

Take my word for it? I wouldn't suggest it. Verify everything, but be willing to accept the truth when you are faced with it. Stop your practice of finding a person guilty, and then examining the evidence.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...ked_riots.html

The link includes this.

• The officers were dispatched to the location due to a complaint that Mr. Blake was attempting to steal the caller's keys/vehicle.
• Officers were aware of Mr. Blake's open warrant for felony sexual assault (3rd degree) before they arrived on scene.
• Mr. Blake was not breaking up a fight between two females when officers arrived on scene.
• The silver SUV seen in the widely circulated video was not Mr. Blake's vehicle.
• Mr. Blake was not unarmed. He was armed with a knife. The officers did not see the knife initially. The officers first saw him holding the knife while they were on the passenger side of the vehicle. The "main" video circulating on the internet shows Mr. Blake with the knife in his left hand when he rounds the front of the car. The officers issued repeated commands for Mr. Blake to drop the knife. He did not comply.
• The officers initially tried to speak with Mr. Blake, but he was uncooperative.
• The officers then began issuing verbal commands to Mr. Blake, but he was non-complaint.
• The officers next went "hands-on" with Mr. Blake, so as to gain compliance and control.
• Mr. Blake actively resisted the officers' attempt to gain compliance.
• The officers then disengaged and drew their tasers, issuing commands to Mr. Blake that he would be tased if he did not comply.
• Based on his non-compliance, one officer tased Mr. Blake. The taser did not incapacitate Mr. Blake.
• The officers once more went "hands-on" with Mr. Blake; again, trying to gain control of the escalating situation.
• Mr. Blake forcefully fought with the officers, including putting one of the officers in a headlock.
• A second taser (from a different officer than had deployed the initial taser) was then deployed on Mr. Blake. It did not appear to have any impact on him.
• Based on the inability to gain compliance and control after using verbal, physical and less-lethal means, the officers drew their firearms.
• Mr. Blake continued to ignore the officers' commands, even with the threat of lethal force now present.

So what should the officers have done, confronted with Blake, armed with a deadly weapon and attempting to drive away the vehicle with three young children in it? The fact that he was able shrug off two tasers suggests he may have been on some mind-altering substance like methamphetamine, PCP, or angel dust. The children reasonably could be believed to be at risk in a vehicle fleeing arrest.

[Wondergirl]

Jacob Brown is not dead.

His name is Jacob Blake.

What's going on with police these days???

On Saturday a distraught WHITE mom whose WHITE son was having an Asperger's meltdown called 911, quickly explained the situation, and asked for emergency mental health assistance to calm him. Sooooooo, cops came over, sent her outside to wait, and shot him because he wouldn't lie down on the floor. (https://news.yahoo.com/utah-police-s...153244126.html)

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[Wondergirl]

• The officers initially tried to speak with Mr. Blake, but he was uncooperative. POLICE HAD GUNS DRAWN.
• The officers then began issuing verbal commands to Mr. Blake, but he was non-complaint. POLICE HAD GUNS DRAWN.
• The officers next went "hands-on" with Mr. Blake, so as to gain compliance and control. STUPID MOVE.

Police need tons and tons of proper training on how to deescalate a situation. Flashing their guns isn't the way. Yelling isn't the way. Manhandling isn't the way. They should start this training by learning how to deescalate the situation with a two-year-old having a temper tantrum.

[jlisenbe]

And you were a policeman how many years? That's pure fantasy you are putting forward. You really think you have some special knowledge and experience so as to judge these guys and call them stupid? You try it a couple of weeks and get back with us. And your accounts that you added above about guns drawn is not true. Read the account. Guns were drawn at the end, and not at the beginning.

Sooooooo, cops came over, sent her outside to wait, and shot him because he wouldn't lie down on the floor.

As usual, make up your mind before an investigation is even started. Even your own link showed your story to be untrue. What an anit-cop bias you have.

[jlisenbe]

And yeah, I'm overreacting. My apologies. Perhaps it would be good, however, for you to understand that a retired librarian knows about as much about police work as a retired principal does. Perhaps it would be good to wait for the investigation to play out before we make any sweeping and insulting pronouncements.

Remember Ferguson? Remember, "Hands up", and how it all turned out to be a BLM fairy tale? Did we learn anything from that?

[talaniman]

Take my word for it? I wouldn't suggest it. Verify everything, but be willing to accept the truth when you are faced with it. Stop your practice of finding a person guilty, and then examining the evidence.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...ked_riots.html

The link includes this.

• The officers were dispatched to the location due to a complaint that Mr. Blake was attempting to steal the caller's keys/vehicle.
• Officers were aware of Mr. Blake's open warrant for felony sexual assault (3rd degree) before they arrived on scene.
• Mr. Blake was not breaking up a fight between two females when officers arrived on scene.
• The silver SUV seen in the widely circulated video was not Mr. Blake's vehicle.
• Mr. Blake was not unarmed. He was armed with a knife. The officers did not see the knife initially. The officers first saw him holding the knife while they were on the passenger side of the vehicle. The "main" video circulating on the internet shows Mr. Blake with the knife in his left hand when he rounds the front of the car. The officers issued repeated commands for Mr. Blake to drop the knife. He did not comply.
• The officers initially tried to speak with Mr. Blake, but he was uncooperative.
• The officers then began issuing verbal commands to Mr. Blake, but he was non-complaint.
• The officers next went "hands-on" with Mr. Blake, so as to gain compliance and control.
• Mr. Blake actively resisted the officers' attempt to gain compliance.
• The officers then disengaged and drew their tasers, issuing commands to Mr. Blake that he would be tased if he did not comply.
• Based on his non-compliance, one officer tased Mr. Blake. The taser did not incapacitate Mr. Blake.
• The officers once more went "hands-on" with Mr. Blake; again, trying to gain control of the escalating situation.
• Mr. Blake forcefully fought with the officers, including putting one of the officers in a headlock.
• A second taser (from a different officer than had deployed the initial taser) was then deployed on Mr. Blake. It did not appear to have any impact on him.
• Based on the inability to gain compliance and control after using verbal, physical and less-lethal means, the officers drew their firearms.
• Mr. Blake continued to ignore the officers' commands, even with the threat of lethal force now present.

So what should the officers have done, confronted with Blake, armed with a deadly weapon and attempting to drive away the vehicle with three young children in it? The fact that he was able shrug off two tasers suggests he may have been on some mind-altering substance like methamphetamine, PCP, or angel dust. The children reasonably could be believed to be at risk in a vehicle fleeing arrest.

Well that's just great using a low ranked loony right wing digital rag to verify your account! REALLY DUDE?

[Wondergirl]

As usual, make up your mind before an investigation is even started. Even your own link showed your story to be untrue. What an anit-cop bias you have.

Who didn't read the link??? "When two officers arrived, the mother said she was asked to wait outside while they entered the house. She said that within minutes of police entering her home she heard an order to “get on the ground” and several gunshots."

[jlisenbe]

REALLY DUDE?

Did you bother to read it, DUDE??? Did you bother to notice who that information came from, DUDE?? I didn't think so.

Who didn't read the link??? "When two officers arrived, the mother said she was asked to wait outside while they entered the house. She said that within minutes of police entering her home she heard an order to “get on the ground” and several gunshots."

Have you always been this deceptive, that you don't bother to post another rather important segment of the story like this and thus attempt to create a false narrative?

Salk Lake City Police Sergeant Keith Horrocks said in a press conference on Saturday that police were called to a home in Glendale, Salt Lake City, on Friday to a report of a “violent psyche issue involving a juvenile” who had made threats with a weapon.
Sgt Horrocks said the boy fled on foot away from the address and was shot by an officer during a short foot pursuit. He said he believed the boy was in “serious condition".

And BTW, I didn't say you didn't bother to read the link. I said you have an anti-cop bias as shown by the fact that you are already making judgmental remarks about the cops when the investigation, that you clearly have no interest in, has barely begun.

REMEMBER FERGUSON!!
REMEMBER TAWANNA BRAWLEY!!

[talaniman]

Remember Ferguson? Remember, "Hands up", and how it all turned out to be a BLM fairy tale? Did we learn anything from that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest

The Department of Justice (DOJ) concluded Wilson shot Brown in self-defense.^[16][17]
In response to the shooting and subsequent unrest, the DOJ conducted an investigation into the policing practices of the Ferguson Police Department (FPD).^[18][19] In March 2015, the DOJ announced that they had determined that the FPD had engaged in misconduct against the citizenry of Ferguson by, among other things, discriminating against African Americans and applying racial stereotypes in a "pattern or practice of unlawful conduct."^[20][21][22] The DOJ also found that Ferguson depended on fines and other charges generated by police.^[23]

I didn't see any reference to BLM, but you can scroll down to Racial context for some good insights into the roots of the problem that is manifest to this day as in these statements:

The Los Angeles Times argues that the situation that exploded in Ferguson "has been building for decades," and that protesters initially came from the town and neighboring towns that have pockets of poverty, the poorest of St. Louis, and lists "the growing challenge of the suburbanization of poverty" as the catalyst.^[226]
Time magazine argued that "Blacks in this country are more apt to riot because they are one of the populations here who still need to. In the case of the 1992 riots, 30 years of black people trying to talk about their struggles of racial profiling and muted, but still vastly unfair, treatment, came to a boil. Sometimes, enough is simply too much. And after that catalyst event, the landscape of southern California changed, and nationally, police forces took note."^[227]
Another aspect of this situation might stem from a system that burdens the poor and black in Ferguson.^[228] Minor traffic offenses are the starting point, and the costs spiral up rapidly if the offenders do not pay the fines on time or do not appear in court.^[229] The income from court fines represented the second-largest source of revenue for Ferguson in 2013. On October 1, 2014, the city of St. Louis canceled 220,000 arrest warrants and gave a three-month delay to the offenders to get a new court date before the warrants would be reissued.^[230]

The simple take is the years of racism and oppression.

[jlisenbe]

You cannot change the fact that the entire false narrative about M. Brown's death was false and that false story was used to incite a riot which caused enormous damage.

Time magazine argued that "Blacks in this country are more apt to riot because they are one of the populations here who still need to.

One of the dumbest, most stupid comments I have heard in a long time.

As to the laws in Ferguson, the city is heavily majority black. If they don't like the laws, they can change them. So no, I have sympathy for them at all. If you don't like the laws, then make new ones. To say otherwise is simply idiotic.

[paraclete]

To say otherwise is simply idiotic.

so if our opinions differ to yours we are idiotic?

[jlisenbe]

No. I’m saying that to suggest that it is ok to complain about laws when you have it in your power to change them would certainly seem to be an idiotic approach.

[paraclete]

ordinary people do not have the power to change laws that adversely affect them

[talaniman]

Who didn't read the link??? "When two officers arrived, the mother said she was asked to wait outside while they entered the house. She said that within minutes of police entering her home she heard an order to “get on the ground” and several gunshots."

I read them, and the embedded links of the reporting. very disturbing.

[jlisenbe]

Of course they do. You elect city councilmen/women who agree with your positions.

[talaniman]

ordinary people do not have the power to change laws that adversely affect them

Not at first but in time it can be done.

[paraclete]

only in fantasy land or utopia

[jlisenbe]

Maybe not in Aussie land, but happens all the time over here. Just look at NYC.

[talaniman]

Some laws take longer to change after many election cycles and generational shifts, often with very strong opposition to that change, and rather messy bloody confrontation.