[tomder55]

Shocking! Imagine a chimney sweep in black face.

some idiot professor wrote an editorial about this in the Slimes .
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/m...blackface.html

Today or yesterday a statue of Miguel de Cervantes author of Don Quixote was vandalized in San Francisco . Cervantes was not rich and much of his fame came after his death . . But his life even without his work as an author is a worthy tale to tell . He was not a slave holder . In fact for a 5 year period he was held as a slave by the Ottomans . Paradoxically Cervantes wrote “Freedom ...... is one of the most precious gifts that heaven has bestowed upon men; no treasures that the earth holds buried or the sea conceals can compare with it; for freedom, as for honour, life may and should be ventured; and on the other hand, captivity is the greatest evil that can fall to the lot of man.” For that his statue was defaced .

[talaniman]

Darn subscription ended! Why are you surprised that some loony vandalized a statute? You know good and well half the country is bonkers and probably has nothing to do with politics or anything rational. Not everything is a deep state conspiracy, most are the machinations of NUTS!

[paraclete]

This just shows the idoicy of the BLM supporters, by the way I believe all lives matter, which means I am anti-slavery, anti-discrimination and in favour of freedom for all

[jlisenbe]

This just shows the idocy of the BLM supporters

That is something to consider.

[paraclete]

That is something to consider.

Consider this, public disorder is not the way to effect change

[talaniman]

This just shows the idoicy of the BLM supporters, by the way I believe all lives matter, which means I am anti-slavery, anti-discrimination and in favour of freedom for all

Vandalizing a statute has nothing to do with BLM, no more than looting has to do with protestors. Can't tell the difference? Then you will never understand until Black Lives Matter, you can never say ALL lives matter. I'm in favor of all those good things you listed too Clete, but there seems to be a lot who don't which makes for a PROBLEM.

Consider this, public disorder is not the way to effect change

Remember the Boston Tea Party?

[Athos]

This just shows the idoicy of the BLM supporters, by the way I believe all lives matter, which means I am anti-slavery, anti-discrimination and in favour of freedom for all

BLack Lives Matter was never intended to mean ONLY black lives. It refers to the treatment of blacks by police violence and brutality. People who promote "All Lives Matter" in opposition do not understand the point of BLM. There is NO opposition.

Jackson, btw, was a notorious "Indian hater" during a time when anti-Indian feeling was common among settlers since they wanted the Indian lands. They believed in their "destiny" being "manifest". Jackson, however, was Hitler-like in his treatment of the southeast Indian communities. Long before the present business, Jackson's genocidal activities were a disgrace to the nation.

[paraclete]

Vandalizing a statute has nothing to do with BLM, no more than looting has to do with protestors. Can't tell the difference? Then you will never understand until Black Lives Matter, you can never say ALL lives matter. I'm in favor of all those good things you listed too Clete, but there seems to be a lot who don't which makes for a PROBLEM.

The real problem is the way people behave and they do so for a reason and the colour of a person's skin is only a small part of it, it is culture. Black and white culture is different. It is so there and it is so here

Remember the Boston Tea Party?

Yes a demonstration against a minor tax and there the matter should have ended

[Athos]

Yes a demonstration against a minor tax and there the matter should have ended

But it didn't, did it? It ultimately resulted in the independence of the United States of America.

[paraclete]

But it didn't, did it? It ultimately resulted in the independence of the United States of America.

I know you guys are caught up in the glories of that event, but really you were hard pressed to beat a few thousand red coats. And what do we have to show for it 250 years later? more civil disobedience, so maybe the lesson didn't take

[jlisenbe]

you were hard pressed to beat a few thousand red coats.

Learn your history. There were several tens of thousands of British troops involved not to mention 20 to 30 thousand Hessians. So no, it wasn't a "few".

[talaniman]

It's not Clete's history to learn. It's ours.

[paraclete]

they get more every time the story is told

[jlisenbe]

1. It's not Clete's history to learn. It's ours.
   

Yes, it is. I hope you both learned something from my post. It's one of my goals in life to help the unlearned Aussie.

[paraclete]

Yes, it is. I hope you both learned something from my post. It's one of my goals in life to help the unlearned Aussie.

unlearned? how many degrees and fellowships do you have? one of my goals in life is to help the uneducated yanks

[jlisenbe]

Then you might want to try posting information that is true. In this case, the only uneducated one was the Aussie.

[paraclete]

Then you might want to try posting information that is true. In this case, the only uneducated one was the Aussie.

while there were many thousands of British troops and allies they were spread out fairly thin, remember Britain was fighting a wider war and you would not have succeeded without the opportunist French, and you had the differences of loyalty to deal with also. The revolution was not the populist cause you imagine but the British could not mount a decisive campaign

[jlisenbe]

many thousands of British troops

Finally got it right, though you did not bother to mention the 20 thousand Hessian troops also here to fight for the Brits. Refer to the Battle of Trenton.

[paraclete]

Finally got it right, though you did not bother to mention the 20 thousand Hessian troops also here to fight for the Brits. Refer to the Battle of Trenton.

yes King George brought in mercenaries afterall the British army was not large and was overcommitted, but there wasn't strong loyalty between the red coats and the hessians, You were also lucky the french didn't insist on a military takeover as the price for their assistance

[jlisenbe]

So should you be glad that we did not insist on a military takeover of Australia as the price of our assistance in World War 2?