[Wondergirl]

It's kind of like why you disagree with abortion.

And why do I?

[Athos]

I knew you wouldn't do it.

Then why did you ask?

Easier to criticize from the dark.

I have never criticized anyone's religious beliefs with one exception. YOURS! And basically one false doctrine of yours - the existence of people suffering torture eternally in hell. It comes from a sick mind.

To post your own beliefs would require some backbone.

Not at all. All I have ever said about my beliefs is that I would not discuss them with you. "Backbone" - strawman.

You were wrong about me making a threat. ......The rest of your post was just more of the usual blah, blah, blah.

No I wasn't. You made it very clear. You backtrack badly.

The "rest of my post" had some home truths you didn't like, didn't it? Your "blah, blah, blah" reply is one you've used before when you can't answer.

As for the achievements of the civil rights movement, to ignore and make light of the gains achieved at the price of the blood of brave individuals might be fine for you, but I still consider it to be both stupid and intentional blindness, so I won't participate in that. The Voting Rights Act was never passed. The Civil Rights Act was never passed. Martin Luther King never lived. Ten of thousands of minority individuals were never elected to public office. Have it your way.

I truly hope people are following you here. The hypocrisy of your position reeks. Soon you'll be telling us that African-Americans have it better than poor people in Africa so African-Americans should be grateful. That's a common thread of the argument from your ilk.

[talaniman]

When you have no answers then you get ugly. Always predictable. Anyone who can't acknowledge the enormous changes of the past sixty years is stupid beyond belief. It's that willfully blind and whiny approach that gets old. If you're looking for someone to feel sorry for you, and that is likely, then look elsewhere. To have the amazing opportunities inherent in living in this country and then walk around whining and complaining all day long is something I do not care for.

You've been drinking the kool aid far too long.

I love Kool-Aid. It's my beverage of choice. I also love it when you try to spew the crap you get from the dufus arse and pass it off as honest thoughtful discussion. I have continued to express the struggles of my people and the great contributions to building this great nation you enjoy, yet deny minorities that same enjoyment, so if all you gleaned from that is whining and complaining then that only proves yet again, your failure, or inability, or unwillingness to simply LISTEN.

Doesn't really matter because if history is any indication the struggle will continue, no matter the opposition or challenges. Doesn't matter how you take it, or do about it either. Wise to be thoughtful though of your words and actions because you might have to eat the MOFO's!

If my words provoke you to whup some a$$ though, I highly suggest you refrain from trying such foolishness, or at least bring a bat! Not that it would do you any good, or keep me from LMAO...some more! For sure you do better just enjoying the donuts.

[jlisenbe]

Then why did you ask?

To make your lack of backbone clear.

And basically one false doctrine of yours - the existence of people suffering torture eternally in hell. It comes from a sick mind.

My beliefs come from the words of Christ. If you are saying He has a sick mind, then I don't know what to say to that.

All I have ever said about my beliefs is that I would not discuss them with you.

I agree. That's all you've ever said. It would take courage to say more, or in your case to say anything at all. But like I've said. If you don't want to post it, then don't do it. Fine with me.

Nice try at dodging your disregard of the courageous achievements of the Civil Rights era. Won't work, but nice try.

Now to be clear, if a person wants to say that we still a ways to go in civil rights, then I would agree with that. To say, as as was said earlier, that we have made no progress at all is simply ridiculous and completely discounts what those CR pioneers were able to accomplish. I won't participate in that.

[talaniman]

Officer charged with felony murder, partner to testify for state!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/of...?ocid=msedgntp

[jlisenbe]

Not sure what "felony murder" is, but I can't see that they will get a conviction. I guess we'll see.

[tomder55]

Officer charged with felony murder, partner to testify for state!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/of...?ocid=msedgntp
Like I speculated ;it will be decided in the courts . Do you think Garrett Rolfe will get a fair hearing ? I'm sure given the passions in the aftermath that he will argue he cannot get a fair jury of peers and will petition to change venues .

[Wondergirl]

Not sure what "felony murder" is, but I can't see that they will get a conviction. I guess we'll see.

tal's link explains felony murder. The article also notes, "Brooks was holding a stun gun he had snatched from officers but was 18 feet, 3 inches away when he was shot by Garrett Rolfe and was running away at the time."

[talaniman]

The DA said that Brooks posed no threat because the Taser after two uses had no more charge left, and its against police policy to shoot a fleeing subject with a taser or gun, and they have videos of the cops celebrating then kicking Brooks and failing to call for medical assistance for two and a half minute. Its all contained in the article or go here.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...tail&FORM=VIRE

[jlisenbe]

he will argue he cannot get a fair jury of peers and will petition to change venues .

Yeah. I would think so.

they have videos of the cops celebrating then kicking Brooks and failing to call for medical assistance for two and a half minute. Its all contained in the article or go here.

If that's true, then it sure changes things.

[Athos]

To make your lack of backbone clear.

I repeat, why did you ask about my religious beliefs? Nobody is buying the backbone crap. Are you afraid to tell the truth? Don't worry - nobody will whup your arse for telling the truth.

My beliefs come from the words of Christ.

No, they don't. They come from a verse in a book - a verse badly translated almost 2,000 years ago by the sainted Jerome and repeated ever since.

If you are saying He has a sick mind, then I don't know what to say to that.

Here's what to say - "I'm sorry for passing on untruths about hell. Please forgive me. I'll try to do better from now on".

I agree.

Good. You agree. (Another topic). Now, once more, WHY do you want to know my religious beliefs?

That's all you've ever said. It would take courage to say more, or in your case to say anything at all.

That's all I've ever discussed HERE. Courage is not required - my religious beliefs are hardly the stuff of courage. You just say that because you're angry. You need to control that anger.

If you don't want to post it, then don't do it. Fine with me.

First, you want my religious beliefs. Now you don't want my religious beliefs. Which is it? I think you're a bit confused.

Nice try at dodging your disregard of the courageous achievements of the Civil Rights era.

The only dodging is in your fevered brain. The Civil Rights era has not been the topic here.

Now to be clear, if a person wants to say that we still a ways to go in civil rights, then I would agree with that.

To be clear, that has not been an issue here except when you bring it up in an attempt to avoid the present police-black confrontations.

To say, as as was said earlier, that we have made no progress at all

I don't recall anyone here saying that.

I won't participate in that.

Is that a promise?

I await the reason you asked for my religious beliefs.

[jlisenbe]

No, they don't. They come from a verse in a book - a verse badly translated almost 2,000 years ago by the sainted Jerome and repeated ever since.

Now if you can just talk the vast, vast majority of NT scholars into going along with you in their translations, you might make some progress.

Look, you want me to agree with you on a ridiculous (my view) idea about the translation of the Greek aionios. I'm going with the hundreds of NT scholars, far smarter, more professional, and experienced than you, and their translation of the word. And when I do, then I find that I'm in agreement with the words of Jesus which is my goal in all things. Not complicated and very reliable. You don't like that and it gets you irritated. That's regrettable.

I asked you for your religious beliefs to see if you would have the courage to state them. You don't. Like I said, if it bothers you so much, then forget it. Not a big deal. I suppose you have reasons for being secretive and you have a right to it. I didn't realize it was such an act of Congress for you to state your beliefs.

[jlisenbe]

Getting mixed signals on some of this. From ABC News.

"Howard said that Brosnan has since decided to testify on behalf of the state. But in a statement sent Wednesday evening, Brosnan's attorney, Don Samuel, said that the officer has not agreed to testify."He will continue to tell the DA or the GBI [Georgia Bureau of Investigation], or any other investigator what happened. But he is absolutely not guilty of any crime and will not plead guilty and has not agreed to be a 'state's witness,'" the statement said.
Also, there was no mention of any laughter by the officers or of celebrating.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/da-announc...posts_card_hed

[Wondergirl]

Getting mixed signals on some of this.

Please reread tal's post #469. Plus, as I posted earlier, the cop's very prolonged horizontal gaze nystagmus (HGN) test would have caused me to punch him in the gut.

[Athos]

I asked you for your religious beliefs to see if you would have the courage to state them.

No, you asked because you wanted to know what they are. Courage has nothing to do with it. That's just something you made up. I think I know what your reasons are. You will simply dismiss anything I have to say re religion if my beliefs are sufficiently distant from yours. You're an open book.

if it bothers you so much, then forget it.

It bothers me not a whit. That's why I repeated the question of WHY do you need to know my beliefs. You have now denied twice explaining your question - the "courage" business is just so much nonsense, and you know it. I think you have realized you're on shaky religious ground and have decided to avoid the situation.

I suppose you have reasons for being secretive

You ask for my beliefs, I ask why, and you call that SECRETIVE?

[Wondergirl]

.You will simply dismiss anything I have to say re religion if my beliefs are sufficiently distant from yours. You're an open book.

And you must have been watching how he treats me and how he makes fun of or disrespects any personal revelations I've made.

[Athos]

And you must have been watching how he treats me and how he makes fun of or disrespects any personal revelations I've made.

Yes, I have and all the others he disrespects. In some ways, I feel sorry for him. He's very insecure and strikes out at anyone who disagrees with him. If he would only listen........

Time for Rachael.

[jlisenbe]

If you don't like talking with me, then talk with someone else. There is no good reason to think Paul was a homosexual or that he was persecuted for being homosexual. There is no good reason to think that "homosexual" in the Bible means something other than "homosexual". There is no good reason to think that eternal means something other than eternal. Now you two believe otherwise. Fine with me. I don't begrudge you your beliefs, but neither will I accept them simply because you advocate for them. Believe and let believe. If you don't want to hear, then don't ask. If you ask, then don't whine about getting an answer. But if if I am asked, then you will get the best answer I can come up with. I have nothing to hide.

[Wondergirl]

If you don't like talking with me, then talk with someone else. There is no good reason to think Paul was a homosexual or that he was persecuted for being homosexual. There is no good reason to think that "homosexual" in the Bible means something other than "homosexual". There is no good reason to think that eternal means something other than eternal. Now you two believe otherwise. Fine with me. I don't begrudge you your beliefs, but neither will I accept them simply because you advocate for them. Believe and let believe. If you don't want to hear, then don't ask. If you ask, then don't whine about getting an answer. But if if I am asked, then you will get the best answer I can come up with. I have nothing to hide.

But you don't talk or discuss with us. You try to one-up each of us!

Then you throw in a put-down or derogatory comment. Why shame someone with a different POV from yours?

[jlisenbe]

Then you throw in a put-down or derogatory comment. Why shame someone with a different POV from yours?

You mean like you just did? And do you remember saying that shaming is OK if it's true, as in the case of "fat" Trump?

I don't mind the conversations with you, but you know what you're going to get from me. I'm not going to fall all over myself to agree with your non-biblical, liberal views. You are welcome to them, but I find the support for them to be completely uncompelling. Neither of us will convince the other, so let's just drop it. Talk to someone else if you need to.