[jlisenbe]

Time will tell. I do get your point. All decisions have consequences.

[talaniman]

We have been embroiled in the ME far to long and NO end in sight and that doesn't bode well.

[paraclete]

We have been embroiled in the ME far to long and NO end in sight and that doesn't bode well.

Those consequences are catching up Tal, first, you interfered in the politics of that country and made enemies, then you ignored the attempts to defuse the situation and when finally some progress was made, Trump comes along and toadying to Israel and the Saudi's escalates the conflict to open warfare. you would think that decades of cold war experience would have taught you something but the dingbats have taken over

[jlisenbe]

Those consequences are catching up Tal, first, you interfered in the politics of that country and made enemies, then you ignored the attempts to defuse the situation and when finally some progress was made, Trump comes along and toadying to Israel and the Saudi's escalates the conflict to open warfare. you would think that decades of cold war experience would have taught you something but the dingbats have taken over

I don't think abandoning Israel is the answer, and I don't think ignoring the Kuwaiti invasion in 91 would have been wise.

[talaniman]

No doubt we broke it so we own it Clete, the easy part for you Aussies is make sure you're on the right side of the conflict as I doubt neutral is a viable option at this point.

[paraclete]

No doubt we broke it so we own it Clete, the easy part for you Aussies is make sure you're on the right side of the conflict as I doubt neutral is a viable option at this point.

we are always on the right side Tal, don't like bullies, but Trump tests our patience

[talaniman]

As he does the patience of his own nation, half for sure and even his own supporters. I suppose all leaders do at some point. LOL, maybe a week of peace and quiet would help everybody, as more than that may not be part of this dufus's make up. I still go with a muzzle AND a short leash!

[paraclete]

As he does the patience of his own nation, half for sure and even his own supporters. I suppose all leaders do at some point. LOL, maybe a week of peace and quiet would help everybody, as more than that may not be part of this dufus's make up. I still go with a muzzle AND a short leash!

Yes our own leadership has tested our patience in our crisis, they speak of a GWB moment, but I suppose going after leadership is an effective tactic which hasn't been tried often

[talaniman]

I think current events has REQUIRED any citizen anywhere to QUESTION and hold accountable all our leaders. Trust but verify is always the norm, but especially concerning our particular lying dufus! You can forgive being helpless before Mother Nature, but a fellow stupid human with a title? That smacks of irresponsibility on our part, and we get what we deserve.

[paraclete]

Unfortuneately, Yes you do. However, you forget, what would the alternative have been like? You would probably be a war with russia by now

[talaniman]

Maybe, but we will never know that for sure, but after seeing this outcome I wouldn't mind trying the alternative and will have a chance soon. I admit though it's kind of fun to throw rocks at the opposition instead of explaining sanity to loons. I see why my friend Smoothy was such a cheerful fellow. I'm tempted to email him and see if he has any of his rocks leftover, though that's hard to imagine.

Hey how do you know we would be in war with Russia? I doubt HC would be listening to his crap, or taking an ounce of guff from any of the dufus bromance harem, and the economy would be just fine if not better. Probably JL's head would have exploded by now, but and he would have a supply of rocks bigger than mine no doubt.

I guess a war with Iran is better, since we are still next door in Iraq after a few decades of screwing them up.

[paraclete]

I guess a war with Iran is better, since we are still next door in Iraq after a few decades of screwing them up.

Do you guys ever think war is not a good idea? this is the twenty-first century, two thousand years after Jesus told us there is another way and we have learned nothing. We still want to fight those ancient wars, whether it is the Persian wars or the crusades we are still at it

[talaniman]

Old habits are hard to change. Especially if you don't want too. Rape, pillage and plunder has always been addictive. What you thought men are just brutes? Maybe but we are just SICK too! How else could you explain the world?

[paraclete]

Old habits are hard to change. Especially if you don't want too. Rape, pillage and plunder has always been addictive. What you thought men are just brutes? Maybe but we are just SICK too! How else could you explain the world?

Don't want to go there Tal, otherwise we will get into a religious discussion. You know the reason as well as I do I'm sure, but it is a message noone wants to hear

[talaniman]

Leaders of countries have been using religion as a rally cry to fight each other for centuries when its always been about raising armies and taking/defending land for domination of the MONEY. I can respect your religious opinions Clete but save the sermons for those that want it.

[paraclete]

Exactly

[talaniman]

Don't get me wrong here Clete, I have a great deal of sympathy for the challenge your people face, given you are a friend and caught up in it, and would be furious with my leaders if indeed during this time they were smoozy woozy in comfort on vacations while I snorted smoke, but what does that have to do with religion? The whole world is screwed up from one thing or another fires, floods, earthquakes, shootings, terrorists, economic upheaval, and social unrest, I mean everywhere you look, something is screwed up. I can see why the end of the world appears near when human folly and nature are painting a bunch of gloom and doom.

What surprises me more I think that you refrained from your sermon at my request, and I am not so sure that has ever happened here before. LOL I was preparing to be knee deep in gospel by now. 8D

[paraclete]

Don't get me wrong here Clete, I have a great deal of sympathy for the challenge your people face, given you are a friend and caught up in it, and would be furious with my leaders if indeed during this time they were smoozy woozy in comfort on vacations while I snorted smoke, but what does that have to do with religion? The whole world is screwed up from one thing or another fires, floods, earthquakes, shootings, terrorists, economic upheaval, and social unrest, I mean everywhere you look, something is screwed up. I can see why the end of the world appears near when human folly and nature are painting a bunch of gloom and doom.

What surprises me more I think that you refrained from your sermon at my request, and I am not so sure that has ever happened here before. LOL I was preparing to be knee deep in gospel by now. 8D

Tal, not to put a finer point on it but the book of Revelation says that in the last days the sky will be darkened and the sun appear blood red. One prophesy Ez: 45-49 also says that God will burn up the southland. Now that is exactly what is happening and I hear the smoke has already reached Chile. I'm not the one who has put you knee deep in Gospel, thank WG and jl for that.


The only surmon you will get from me is CO2 emissions is not a southern hemisphere problem, we account for a small percentage of emissions and anything we do will be like pissing in the wind. Some dingbat on UK television once again told us we had the highest per capita emissions. My response is " look after your own house". Yes I am an AGW denier, there has to be a different source to the problem since climate change has been going on for 12,000 years

https://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...035606619843b4

[jlisenbe]

I'm not the one who has put you knee deep in Gospel, thank WG and jl for that.

I take that as a nice compliment!

[talaniman]

I didn't see a blood red sun, but darkening skies have happened many times before so not so sure this even qualifies as a precursor for biblical prophesy. Not to nit pick, just saying. I really have no quarrel with those that use the gospel as a good moral compass, just as I have no quarrel with those with a good moral compass without the gospel. Whatever works.