[paraclete]

Yes some divisive forces have been vanquished

[talaniman]

They didn't get the job done so away with them and we'll see what the new crop brings

[paraclete]

They didn't get the job done so away with them and we'll see what the new crop brings

Just, shame you don't think the same about your own crop of miscreates

[talaniman]

Start at the top and get rid of his miscreants! See I do feel the same. 8D

[paraclete]

Start at the top and get rid of his miscreants! See I do feel the same. 8D

No get rid of all miscreates

[talaniman]

Shame we have only miscreates to replace the miscreates with. What a daunting dilemna.

[paraclete]

yes it is

[talaniman]

No biggie Clete, not much has changed over the last few centuries. Same people different names.

[paraclete]

Tal, I think people are different now, much more focus on self

[talaniman]

Probably so. We haven't come very far up the evolutionary ladder just more stuff to play with when we get bored of self.

[jlisenbe]

Tal, I think people are different now, much more focus on self

I would agree completely with that.

[talaniman]

Tal, I think people are different now, much more focus on self

I would agree completely with that.

I have to agree with you both, but look around. The competition for resources is steep, and getting steeper, while the OPPORTUNITIES and options for those resources are scarce and getting scarcer. They just don't make as many bootstraps anymore. The line is long for where they do.

[jlisenbe]

while the OPPORTUNITIES and options for those resources are scarce and getting scarcer. They just don't make as many bootstraps anymore. The line is long for where they do.

As much as I agreed with Clete's statement, I disagree with yours. This is the most amazing time of life to be alive in American history. There are jobs on practically every street corner. There is money to be made nearly everywhere you look. If a young person can't make it now, then they would have had no hope at all a hundred years ago. You might have to start off working two jobs. It won't be easy, but with a 3.5% unemployment rate, it's a workers market out there.

[talaniman]

Comparable with working two jobs are the working couples because they need to. I don't know if it's just a temporary situation or not, but clearly people need mo'money to survive. I also remember Reagan touting all those jobs and if you looked they were low wage jobs or those requiring exceptional skills. I know many school teachers working 2nd jobs to raise their kids which isn't an easy thing either since advancement in most areas are few and limited for the vast majority of workers.

[jlisenbe]

which isn't an easy thing

Kind of reminds me of the old parable about the man who complained about having no shoes until he met a man who had no feet. I've been that teacher working two jobs so I can speak of that, but I was raised to do what you had to do to support your family. It's not easy, but it's much better than no job at all. And I eventually worked my way into a principal's position. If you're looking for easy, then I can't help you.

advancement in most areas are few and limited for the vast majority of workers.

I don't think that's true. I've seen it happen over and over again.

[talaniman]

Kind of reminds me of the old parable about the man who complained about having no shoes until he met a man who had no feet. I've been that teacher working two jobs so I can speak of that, but I was raised to do what you had to do to support your family. It's not easy, but it's much better than no job at all. And I eventually worked my way into a principal's position. If you're looking for easy, then I can't help you.

Been there done that myself, and I had ONE good job but stuff happens all the time like losing a furnace in the winter, or blowing an engine coming home from work, just to name a few things. I wouldn't know easy if it bit me in the face. Still don't! Just makes me grateful to find a good path, and the things along the way, and have a lot of empathy for those not as blessed as I obviously have been.

I don't think that's true. I've seen it happen over and over again.

So have I JL, and seen some really bad stuff that can happen by accident or mistake and through no fault of some. Sometimes you can't help but empathize to some extent. Sometimes it's okay to take a hardcore stance, but not all the time with everybody.

[jlisenbe]

I'm all for being empathetic with your own money. I have done it on many occasions and I'm sure you have as well. It's when you want to be empathetic with someone else's money, and then want to feel like the very soul of charity for doing it, that I blow the whistle and call a foul.

[talaniman]

I have suggested many times you take that up with your state since they control the money, not the feds in Mississippi. You don't think you're going to tell Texas, or any other state what to do, do you? I respectfully submit JL, I don't think you can tell your fellow statesmen what to do.

[jlisenbe]

I have suggested many times you take that up with your state since they control the money, not the feds in Mississippi. You don't think you're going to tell Texas, or any other state what to do, do you? I respectfully submit JL, I don't think you can tell your fellow statesmen what to do.

Now that's funny. You think the feds don't control it? What do you think we're doing, going up to D.C. with a gun and doing an armed robbery? Of course they control it. They control all federal spending, so if you don't like us getting so much, ask them to change it. I'll be with you on that one.

[talaniman]

I don't care what you get JL, but why whine about it, just don't take it if it's so bad. What, do the feds hold a gun to your head and make you take the money? LOL, it's crazy hollering about people taking YOUR money while you take theirs.