[Athos]

Cuccinelli is a disgrace to all Americans.

[Athos]

I'm not sure what your point is.

THE POINT IS you never answered my question about mentally disturbed adults and whether they go to hell for eternal punishment because they did not believe.

To be clear on the issue of being evasive, I try to give a firm yes or no.

Or simply evade the question entirely which I asked THREE times! You EVADED all three.

but I hope I don't cloak my reply in a fog of words which have no function

You don't "cloak your reply" in ANY words much less foggy ones!

[jlisenbe]

To be clear on the issue of being evasive, I try to give a firm yes or no.

Or simply evade the question entirely which I asked THREE times! You EVADED all three.

You intentionally misrepresented my reply by leaving out the part where I ALSO said I would say I didn't know or present conditions when that is appropriate. I responded and told you I knew of no scripture that addressed the mentally disabled and so, that being the case, I would agree with Abraham that the Judge of the earth would do what was right.

Your previous reply, however, about the Revelation passage was this. ""Revelation is a literary gem. Sure I accept it. It's full of colorful language, metaphors and symbols, angels and anti-Christs, lakes of fire, books with names written in them, etc., etc., etc."

So you accept it as a "literary gem"??? That was not the point and you know it. It's your specialty to ask many questions and yet never say anything concrete yourself.

[talaniman]

Why are you still arguing your religious stuff in the forum for politics and current events? Whenever you get cornered on your social and cultural stances how convenient you bring out your bible. Then ad nauseum berating your responders just as you do when your social crap falls short. I think the antics of you're alt right, far ring wing loony coalition may be a bit much for even you to defend so you happily retreat to your religious comfort zone and your bible. What you think no one knows what your doing?

It's disgraceful you protect the lying cheating dufus with your book of ancient man's opinions and preachings which you base your faith on, but none of that has a hill of beans to what's happening in your country, by your elected officials and all do respect your bible ain't gonna save us until we get with the facts that you are so happy to ignore and dismiss.

I ain't mad at ya though, because if I was in the same weak position I would change the subject you have proven less than adequate in and move the conversation to one I was better fit to comment on. However my friend you have succeeded in hijacking this forum yet again.

Just articulating the obvious!

[jlisenbe]

Sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but you are the one who decided to make religion an issue. Your post was, "All due respect but bad enough you claim there is no racism, when the simple thing to do is Google institutional racism or gentrification, and follow the links at your own leisure, but to hide behind your religion is a lousy excuse." I had simply pointed out that I am a follower of Christ and not of the repub party. I don't hide behind anything. Don't need to. If you don't want to talk about religion, then don't. It's so simple.

I haven't tried to justify Trump with my religious views. If you would get out of your fantasy world and actually read these posts, it would be very helpful. And as I've said many times before, if you voted for HC (as you did), then you completely give up the moral high ground and all of your complaints afterwards just have a hollow ring to them. If you dems decided to nominate someone with some moral values, then it will be different, but you won't do that. Anyone with moral values won't be the champion for unlimited abortion and you dems are as addicted to that as any drug addict is to his drug of choice.

[Athos]

I am partially guilty with the religious thing. If someone can move the last several posts - say this page, 81-86 posts to the Religious Discussion board for Members only, I will try to continue the brouhaha there. Woops, I mean, Civil Discussion.

[jlisenbe]

If someone can move the last several posts - say this page, 81-86 posts to the Religious Discussion board for Members only, I will try to continue the brouhaha there. Woops, I mean, Civil Discussion.

Good idea.

[talaniman]

Sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but you are the one who decided to make religion an issue. Your post was, "All due respect but bad enough you claim there is no racism, when the simple thing to do is Google institutional racism or gentrification, and follow the links at your own leisure, but to hide behind your religion is a lousy excuse." I had simply pointed out that I am a follower of Christ and not of the repub party. I don't hide behind anything. Don't need to. If you don't want to talk about religion, then don't. It's so simple.

Don't worry I don't, not here anyway, but nice dodge away from the topic of institutional racism and the control of wealth in this country.

I haven't tried to justify Trump with my religious views. If you would get out of your fantasy world and actually read these posts, it would be very helpful. And as I've said many times before, if you voted for HC (as you did), then you completely give up the moral high ground and all of your complaints afterwards just have a hollow ring to them. If you dems decided to nominate someone with some moral values, then it will be different, but you won't do that. Anyone with moral values won't be the champion for unlimited abortion and you dems are as addicted to that as any drug addict is to his drug of choice.

Your choice of the dufus who has the morals of a worm, doesn't say much for your morality either my friend, though you try to elevate it by slinging mud constantly at someone who LOST 3 years ago. I mean the dude doesn't even go to church on Sunday or any other day and he gives YOU the moral high ground?

[jlisenbe]

Your choice of the dufus who has the morals of a worm, doesn't say much for your morality either my friend, though you try to elevate it by slinging mud constantly at someone who LOST 3 years ago. I mean the dude doesn't even go to church on Sunday or any other day and he gives YOU the moral high ground?

The truth is, we vote on the basis of issues. You, for instance, are in favor of legalized abortion through nine months, so you voted for HC. I wanted someone who would assign good fed judges, recharge the economy, and balance the budget. Got two out of three on that one. So it all comes down to issues for both of us. We both voted for a person morally corrupt in several ways because of the issues they supported.

Don't worry I don't, not here anyway, but nice dodge away from the topic of institutional racism and the control of wealth in this country.

Dodge?? Not on your life. Ready and willing to discuss either one.

[talaniman]

The truth is, we vote on the basis of issues. You, for instance, are in favor of legalized abortion through nine months, so you voted for HC. I wanted someone who would assign good fed judges, recharge the economy, and balance the budget. Got two out of three on that one. So it all comes down to issues for both of us. We both voted for a person morally corrupt in several ways because of the issues they supported.

You are mistaken as usual, but glad you got 2/3 of what you wanted and are happy with the deal you made for your vote.

[jlisenbe]

Happy?? No. Last pres I was happy with was Reagan. I don't look to people for happiness anymore. Too unpredictable.

[paraclete]

Getting back to the OP, an evil has been removed from the world and it is a pity all those who associated with him didn't get the same treatment, an equivalent of the Biblical millstone

[talaniman]

Happy?? No. Last pres I was happy with was Reagan. I don't look to people for happiness anymore. Too unpredictable.

I heard that!

Getting back to the OP, an evil has been removed from the world and it is a pity all those who associated with him didn't get the same treatment, an equivalent of the Biblical millstone

If you mean Epstein, I think it's just getting started with the victims seeking their due. Cheated of a day in court, his empire and anyone in it is subject to retribution, and rightfully so.

[tomder55]

Just a followup question. Why isn't Bubba a witness at the Ghislaine Maxwell trial? He flew on the Lolita Express at least 26 times. And he is not alone in the omissions. Trump,Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew, Bill Gates among many other elites have insight about the goings on at Little St James.
Sex trafficking is a worldwide menace that has to be eradicated.

[talaniman]

It appears that all that all the big names aren't needed to make the case against Epstein henchwoman.

[jlisenbe]

Why isn't there a case to be made against the big names? Why should they get off without charges?

[tomder55]

There may be even more swamp critters that could be exposed if some of the known perves were held accountable

[tomder55]

the prisons were negligent . Other than that nothing to see here . He offed himself The Clintonistas breath a sigh of relief .

DOJ issues scathing rebuke of Bureau of Prisons detailing multiple failures that led to Jeffrey Epstein's suicide | CNN Politics

[tomder55]

New administration . Transparency rules the day. Right ?

Apparently not. Pam Bondi tough DOJ boss . Kash Patel tough FBI Director . Kash can't be blamed . He is still rearranging the furniture . Bondi demanded that the FBI hand over all they have about Epstein. They handed over stuff she claimed was on her desk. She said she would release it all yesterday. And indeed she released what she had minus victims identities . What did she have ? NOTHING
She was bamboozled .

Release of Jeffrey Epstein files sparks anger among MAGA faithful: ‘The evil deep state LIED TO YOUR FACE’

Yes indeed they lied . Epstein recorded everything .It went back so far that some of it was on tape and not digital It fits in an office ;a warehouse ...... NOT on a desk.

She is demanding an explanation from Kash who can't possibly give her one . What she had she got before he was confirmed.

What Kash ;Bongino need to do is to raid the offices of the 2nd District in NY and seize everything and do some serious interviews with the staff .Let them know they risk obstruction charges if they don't cooperate. This may be the last opportunity to take control of these intel and law enforcement agencies.

Trump didn't in his 1st term .So what he got was an FBI storm trooper raid rifling through Melania's underwear draw .

Maybe Epstein's client list will never be revealed . I mean ;a member of the Royal Family was a frequent flier to Epstein Island . Add this to the JFK assassination files we will never see.

Pam Bondi looks foolish and naive . My suspicions about her are reemerging.

Flashback 2012 when Florida was a purple state .

Florida Guv Rick Scott appointed Pam Bondi to prosecute George Zimmerman ;accused of murdering Trevon Martin. Zimmerman was clearly framed . Evidence showed he shot in self defense while his head was being bashed into the sidewalk . Yet Bondi's appointed prosecutors smeared him during the trial.

The case against Zimmerman eventually collapsed. He was acquitted. He was investigated for race crimes for another three years, and spent considerable time in prison while the cases against him proceeded. His reputation was ruined and many people still think he killed Martin with no provocation and in cold blood for racist reasons.
It was cases like this that led to BLM riots and the execution of cops .

Gaetz get out now.

I hope she is up to the task . But there is no denying this was a screw up

[jlisenbe]

I hope she is up to the task as well. This is going to be a tough job. The level of corruption is breathtaking.