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talaniman · Aug 11, 2019, 01:18 PM

I think most dems are clear we are referring to some rich elites as worshipping profits and are greedy. They sure aren't thinking about those rural poor folks are they?

jlisenbe · Aug 11, 2019, 01:21 PM

I think most dems are clear we are referring some rich elites as worshipping profits and are greedy.

"It is important to understand the Republicans are basically a monolithic block worshiping profits and greed."

Hmm.

talaniman · Aug 12, 2019, 05:34 AM

Politics make strange bedfellows. Both parties are made up of groups with agendas. The dufus has subverted the republican party. Or polluted and corrupted it for his own agenda.

paraclete · Aug 12, 2019, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Politics make strange bedfellows. Both parties are made up of groups with agendas. The dufus has subverted the republican party. Or polluted and corrupted it for his own agenda.

You give Trump too much power, they wanted a candidate who could win, they got it, anything else is the price of doing a deal with the devil

jlisenbe · Aug 12, 2019, 07:09 AM

The dufus has subverted the republican party. Or polluted and corrupted it for his own agenda.

As opposed to the absolute moral purity of the democrats??? Please. No one is going to buy that. The whole "Green New Deal" lunacy is proof of that. The democrats have accepted an idea concocted by a very dumb and idealistic young person which would completely bankrupt the country and even then accomplish but very little. If I was Trump, I'd make AOC and her buddies the face of the democratic party. I'd run ads with her face and words on them constantly, and then remind everyone that the democrat candidates for pres have bought into her nonsense.

talaniman · Aug 12, 2019, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

You give Trump too much power, they wanted a candidate who could win, they got it, anything else is the price of doing a deal with the devil

He had help lots of it and all repubs wanted at least the behind the scenes power elite was to shrink government and run their own agenda which is to do as they please, and that's what they got.

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

As opposed to the absolute moral purity of the democrats??? Please. No one is going to buy that. The whole "Green New Deal" lunacy is proof of that. The democrats have accepted an idea concocted by a very dumb and idealistic young person which would completely bankrupt the country and even then accomplish but very little. If I was Trump, I'd make AOC and her buddies the face of the democratic party. I'd run ads with her face and words on them constantly, and then remind everyone that the democrat candidates for pres have bought into her nonsense.

The country will be bankrupt all right but not from AOC or any of those young idealists. I see you adopt the spin of the dufus noise machine.

Athos · Aug 12, 2019, 07:53 AM

The Republican philosophy of endless greed and acquisition is always couched in platitudes designed to hide their true motivations. They were dog whistling and gaslighting long before those terms were in common usage. There have always been exceptions - Eisenhower, McCain, etc.

jlisenbe · Aug 12, 2019, 09:25 AM

The country will be bankrupt all right but not from AOC or any of those young idealists. I see you adopt the spin of the dufus noise machine.

If you really think that's true then you plainly don't know the first thing about the Green New Deal.

talaniman · Aug 12, 2019, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

If you really think that's true then you plainly don't know the first thing about the Green New Deal.

Neither do you, since it was just an idea, and not a plan. Of course you vilify it, and her since you see her as a threat to your agenda and disrupts your status quo. The dufus plans to make her the face of the dems to further add to the fear of minorities taking over your country. That seems to be enough to justify the cruel words and actions directed at them.

You deny his dog whistles and racism, so you are not tarnished by that brush. Too Late! You laid down with the dog and now you have his fleas!

jlisenbe · Aug 12, 2019, 10:00 AM

Neither do you, since it was just an idea, and not a plan.

It has been put before the House as a resolution, so it IS a plan.

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/07/69199...w-deal-outline

talaniman · Aug 12, 2019, 10:31 AM

A non binding resolution to be discussed and debated and could take YEARS to formulate. I thought you liked a great economy and plenty of jobs for your grandkids and their kids?

jlisenbe · Aug 12, 2019, 11:30 AM

A non binding resolution to be discussed and debated and could take YEARS to formulate.

To call such a resolution a mere "idea" is ridiculous. You might as well admit it. It is a plan in every sense of the word. Does it contain every detail? No, but no plan starts off by covering every detail.

Athos · Aug 12, 2019, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

To call such a resolution a mere "idea" is ridiculous. You might as well admit it. It is a plan in every sense of the word. Does it contain every detail? No, but no plan starts off by covering every detail.

You brought up the Green New Deal and called it a plan.

Then you brought up the non-binding resolution and called it a plan.

Tal called the non-binding resolution a non-binding resolution.

You need to stop confusing yourself. Have some Kool-Aid.

jlisenbe · Aug 12, 2019, 11:58 AM

You brought up the Green New Deal and called it a plan.

To call the 14 page resolution presented before the house, which was filled with specific goals and many steps to take, simply an "idea" is completely wrong. Tal's initial comment concerned an "idea". You need to learn to read more carefully. He only wanted to run to the non-binding resolution story when it became obvious that it was ridiculous to call that an "idea".

Athos · Aug 12, 2019, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

To call the many paged resolution presented before the house, which was filled with specific goals and many steps to take, simply an "idea" is completely wrong. Tal's initial comment concerned an "idea". You need to learn to read more carefully. He only wanted to run to the non-binding resolution story when it became obvious that it was ridiculous to call that an "idea".

He called the Green New Deal an idea. YOU called it a plan. Tal referred to the non-binding resolution as just that.

Jeez, talk about reading carefully - you take the cake!!

jlisenbe · Aug 12, 2019, 12:09 PM

He called the Green New Deal an idea. YOU called it a plan. Tal referred to the non-binding resolution as just that.

Where did I say otherwise? Tal's statement was, "Neither do you, since it was just an idea, and not a plan." And my reply was, and remains, that to call a 14 page house resolution an "idea" is ridiculous political speech. A plan is "a specific project or definite purpose". Yep, it's a plan.

Athos · Aug 12, 2019, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Tal's statement was, "Neither do you, since it was just an idea, and not a plan." And my reply was, and remains, that to call a 14 page house resolution an "idea" is ridiculous political speech.

His "idea" referred to the Green New Deal, -NOT the resolution. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then YOU referred to the resolution as a PLAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Geezawmighty!!! You really really really need to slow down and read. And stop with the silly who said what!

STAY WITH THE ISSUE WHATEVER IT MAY BE!!!! You have a habit of doing this and it gets us nowhere. A touch here and there is ok, but don't go overboard.

jlisenbe · Aug 12, 2019, 12:38 PM

His "idea" referred to the Green New Deal, -NOT the resolution. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then YOU referred to the resolution as a PLAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Geezawmighty!!! You really really really need to slow down and read. And stop with the silly who said what!

STAY WITH THE ISSUE WHATEVER IT MAY BE!!!! You have a habit of doing this and it gets us nowhere. A touch here and there is ok, but don't go overboard.

Adding exclamation marks does not prove your point.

The resolution identifies itself as the Green New Deal. The resolution is a plan. I was the one who brought it up and Tal tried to excuse it as simply an "idea" to make it, I guess, more politically acceptable. But have it anyway you want. It's a stupid idea/plan that will bankrupt the country.

Athos · Aug 12, 2019, 12:41 PM

I give up. You win.

I LIKE exclamation points!!!!!

jlisenbe · Aug 12, 2019, 12:45 PM

I LIKE exclamation points!!!!!

Evidently so.

Call it a plan or call it an idea. I don't care, but you really should read it to see what that non-thinking person is suggesting we do. It would be a nightmare. Just about every democrat running for pres has endorsed it with the possible exception of Biden.