[talaniman]

You do the same.

[tomder55]

ban knives
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/3...21EgqCEdXKHCac

[jlisenbe]

That kind of stuff is just so senseless and cowardly. There is such a spirit of violence going around this world. Very sad. At least they can't blame this one on Trump. Just bear in mind that it happened in 2014.

[paraclete]

That kind of stuff is just so senseless and cowardly. There is such a spirit of violence going around this world. Very sad. At least they can't blame this one on Trump. Just bear in mind that it happened in 2014.

A spirit of violence?

[jlisenbe]

A spirit of violence?

Largely a figure of speech, though it's also true that "our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

[paraclete]

I thought you were identifying something specific

[tomder55]

Just bear in mind that it happened in 2014.

ok how about yesterday

https://apnews.com/5e44f7bd106f4fce8da21c2c11f334fc?fbclid=IwAR1b51Pe 7-RcHjmdQTGIsp9fxvnxL0lHIQf-xNaj1wrt_Va26OWFYM2cCdE

[talaniman]

There's got to be a point here. Care to share?

[paraclete]

There's got to be a point here. Care to share?

Yes the point of the blade. Long before guns became the favourite weapon of mass destruction the blade was the weapon of choice

[talaniman]

House judiciary committee going to court to force Don McGahn to testify, and if successful all the rest. The wheels of justice turn slowly but they turn, despite the dufus and his lawyers throwing everything they can to block the road.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-d...el-don-mcgahn/

[paraclete]

House judiciary committee going to court to force Don McGahn to testify, and if successful all the rest. The wheels of justice turn slowly but they turn, despite the dufus and his lawyers throwing everything they can to block the road.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-d...el-don-mcgahn/

Interesting how the justice system works, there is supposed to be a partition between the judiciary and the other branches and yet the Congress can conduct thier own star chambers. A "judicial" enquiry was held, a report made and no doubt any recommended prosecutions have been proceeded with but now the grandstanding before an election begins or continues

[talaniman]

The Congress is the check on the executive branch, and has oversight responsibility under our constitution. The dufus and his lawyer army choose to fight that, so we fight. Simple enough to understand. Haven't I been saying we have plenty of ammo in the Mueller Report? The judiciary is but the referee, and the dufus DOJ are his sycophants covering his butt.

The dufus is a drama queen for sure, so everything will be loud and chaotic as he fights for his presidency, and long-term his freedom and wealth. I think he was lying about that too, but Vlad has a few bucks to loan at mob prices.

[tomder55]

funny thing is I don't recall Don McGahn subject to confirmation hearings . Why ? Well until now it was assumed that the President and his council's discussions were confidential subject to attorney client privilege;in this case Executive Privilege . The lower courts have had contradictory opinions on compelling a chief council to testify . Nixon lost his case because it was a criminal investigation ;not a congressional inquiry . But in another case the Appeals court ruled that the Connecticut Guv's council did not have to testify to a Grand Jury over advice to the Guv. SCOTUS has never ruled on these issues. So far this inquiry is not a criminal case . The best case that Congress can make is that this is an official impeachment hearing . And they have not done that yet . If Trump wants to fight on this hill ,the process could last past the elections .

[talaniman]

I read in the filings that the basis for the congressional lawsuit is to decide if any actions concerning the executive branch are warranted up to and including criminal actions that could result in impeachment proceedings. Since McGahn has testified before the DOJ special counsel, the congress can inquire into those proceedings and testimony. They asked for an expedited decision, so it may come back sooner rather than later. It may not be an OFFICIAL impeachment proceeding but it's definitely an impeachment INQUIRY, giving congress the RIGHT to pursue an investigation as set out in Article I of the constitution. Can the dufus stall for a year and 4 months? Not likely but doesn't matter but Nadler said he expects to be close to deciding what the House judiciary will do by year's end, TENTIVELY. It could be longer.

Stop for a minute and consider what it means if congressional subpoenas can be ignored. Do you really want no congressional oversight of the executive branch? That's not what the founders had in mind.

[tomder55]

Since McGahn has testified before the DOJ special counsel, the congress can inquire into those proceedings and testimony.

sorry When he testified to Inspector Clouseau he did so with Trump's authority within the executive branch. Trump has not waived executive privilege from him testifying to Congress or for documents the toad Nadler wants . Nadler when asked about it couched his language saying his inquiry was "in effect " a "formal " impeachment proceeding . Well no ,it is not . There is a reason he is dancing around this . If this is not in some kind of criminal context no judge will agree to violate executive privilege .

Stop for a minute and consider what it means if congressional subpoenas can be ignored.

wait a minute . I'll ask Eric Holder .

[talaniman]

We will see what a judge decides but don't blame Holder for the failures of the incompetent repub congress. I mean they couldn't nail HC either, wasting taxpayer money on numerous hearings. They bit the apple so many times there is a naked tree in the orchard.

[tomder55]

He was held in both criminal and civil contempt. He was held, by a bipartisan vote, in contempt by the House of Representatives in a 255–67 vote, with 17 Democrats voting for the measure, 2 Republicans voting against the measure.

But since he was in charge of the DOJ it waa unlikely the DOJ would charge him .Evan after

U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson ruled that he must turn over any "non-privileged" documents the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee subpoenaed he still was off the hook and still refused to comply .It helped him that she was an emperor appointee .

[talaniman]

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...holder-1313120

Both interesting and fascinating how things work out. Everybody has gimmicks, ticks, and traps. The dufus has a world of lawyers though.

[tomder55]

Yes interesting . It brings us back to square one...

the District Court's holdings should not in any way control the resolution of the same or similar issues should they arise in other litigation between the Committee and the Executive Branch, and hereby waive any right to argue that the judgment of the District Court or any of the District Court's orders or opinions in this

case have any preclusive effect in any other litigation....

Meaning that there is scarce precidence for the courts intervening in the 1st place. If the courts rule in greasy slimy Nadler's favor ,Trump will take it to SCOTUS .

[talaniman]

Yup...and the beat goes on! Top of the 3rd...NO outs!