[talaniman]

Migrants seeking asylum is not illegal under US law. Doesn't matter if it's through a port of entry, or over, under, around or through a fence.

PS

HC would have made a better prez than this dufus, darn near anyone would. Repubs would be going nuts trying to impeach her.

[Athos]

Trump is continually tried in the court of public opinion. And you do not know whether people at a rally are Christians or agitators

And deservedly so since Trump brings it all upon his head by his bizarre public behavior and public tweets. A sizable fraction of Trump's base are evangelical Christians. Of course, they're at his rallies.

If Trump is the lesser of two evils, who's number one? Beelzebub?

[Athos]

So it would be better to put the children in jail with the parents? The problem lies with the idea that if you bring your children with you, you will have a better chance of being allowed to stay. That needs to be actively discouraged.

Your support of the camps is noted. You have chosen one wrong in place of another wrong.

To call the detention centers concentration camps tells me you must not know much about the Nazi concentration camps.

Just so you know, those Nazi camps started as detention centers for criminals. They graduated to communists, anti-Nazis, all the way to the Final Solution.

As to the subject of who evangelical Christians should have supported, there was no godly choice, so I went with the one who did not support abortion

As I've said before, to you abortion is the main and only "godly choice" - everything else is secondary.

who had some chance of reviving the economy

As everyone but you seems to know, the economy was reviving under Obama.

You will never see the day when I would vote for HC

She was miles better than Trump. It's about time for you to realize that.

It's just politics. You object to Trump but, I guess, supported HC and BO, which means you have no entitlement to the moral high ground.

You have no idea who I supported. I do not claim any high ground. I am simply observing the facts of what this WH disaster has done and continues to do.

[paraclete]

And deservedly so since Trump brings it all upon his head by his bizarre behavior and tweets. A sizable fraction of Trump's base are evangelical Christians. Of course, they're at his rallies.

If Trump is the lesser of two evils, who's number one? Beelzebub?

Beelzebub takes many forms, but evil can also take many forms. Rampant unchecked socialism is an evil, Venezuela is the latest example, Soviet Russia was another. Belligerent, bellicose war mongering is another. So Obama, Bush, Trump are evils in that regard, Hilliary would have been no different. Unfortunately in this world what we have isn't good opposing evil, but evil opposing evil.

Don't blame Christians for this. What they want is peace, prosperity, freedom from oppression and they see the left as oppression. Can't blame them look at the track record

[waltero]

She was miles better than Trump. It's about time for you to realize that.

What difference would that make?

observing the facts of what this WH disaster has done and continues to do.

On and on it goes, where it stops nobody knows.

[paraclete]

What difference would that make?

you are right absolutely none, but then the american people have been spared the draconian taxation of Obamacare, so some upside

On and on it goes, where it stops nobody knows.

It cannot end, like the elephant the donkey never forgets

[talaniman]

You always have an interesting albeit gloomy view of Americans Clete, but these peace loving Christians made a deal with a devil, who is anything but peaceful, or even orderly for that matter. Chaos would be a better description.

[jlisenbe]

As everyone but you seems to know, the economy was reviving under Obama.

Obama is the ONLY eight year pres who never had a single quarter of 3% GDP growth. That's not what I call a "reviving" economy. He kept the wheels from falling off the cart, so give him that, but at a cost of doubling the national debt. You need to engage the facts.

She was miles better than Trump. It's about time for you to realize that.

Completely absurd statement. One of the funnier moments in the campaign was when a democrat was asked to identify HC's greatest accomplishment. The person stammered and stuttered and finally came up with nothing. She had an empty professional life.

I do not claim any high ground. I am simply observing the facts of what this WH disaster has done and continues to do.

Of course you do. No one who voted for HC can be critical of those who voted for Trump, and yet you want to sit in judgement of those who voted for Trump and do so continually.

If this economy is a disaster, then we need a lot more of that kind of disaster.

[Athos]

Obama is the ONLY eight year pres who never had a single quarter of 3% GDP growth. That's not what I call a "reviving" economy. He kept the wheels from falling off the cart, so give him that, but at a cost of doubling the national debt. You need to engage the facts.

You always conveniently ignore the fact that Obama inherited a disaster from your Republicans.

She had an empty professional life.

First Lady, senator and secretary of state - you should have such an empty professional life. As much as I dislike Trump, it pales compared to your undying HATRED of all things Hillary Clinton.

No one who voted for HC can be critical of those who voted for Trump.

Talk about absurd. Trump invites criticism every single day. The latest is his temper tantrum leaving a planned meeting because he didn't have a clue what to do. He's 72 going on 8. And you have no idea who I voted for. You have a habit of making assumptions to fit your pro-Trump agenda.

If this economy is a disaster, then we need a lot more of that kind of disaster.

There you go again, putting words in my mouth that were never there. I said TRUMP is the disaster. The economy was saved by Obama who prevented it from becoming a world-wide depression.

[paraclete]

You always have an interesting albeit gloomy view of Americans Clete, but these peace loving Christians made a deal with a devil, who is anything but peaceful, or even orderly for that matter. Chaos would be a better description.

How can you talk about deals with the devil with a straight face, Tal? after Obama, after Hilliary. You know nothing of chaos in the US, Tal. Chaos is something that happens elsewhere, probably at the instigation of Washington. I actually think it doesn't matter who is in the WH, chaos is stock in trade

[jlisenbe]

First Lady, senator and secretary of state - you should have such an empty professional life. As much as I dislike Trump, it pales compared to your undying HATRED of all things Hillary Clinton.

Those are titles, not accomplishments. I don't hate HC, but I do hate this concept that the holier than thou crowd can sit on top of Mount Righteousness and proclaim judgement on the rest of us, acting as though voting for HC was somehow a vote for character and efficiency. Let me add that being first lady is hardly a professional accomplishment.

Obama inherited nothing worse than what Reagan inherited from Carter, but Reagan had one quarter of almost 8% GDP growth, and he did it without the daily whining we had to hear from Obama. I will give Obama some credit in that things did not get worse with him, but to say that he had a "reviving" economy is overstating the truth. The economy merely limped along with Obama.

And you have no idea who I voted for.

You don't seem to have the courage to say who you voted for, but if I assume you did not vote for Trump, and I think that's a pretty safe assumption, then let's see now. Who would that leave that you might have voted for?

[talaniman]

How can you talk about deals with the devil with a straight face, Tal? after Obama, after Hilliary. You know nothing of chaos in the US, Tal. Chaos is something that happens elsewhere, probably at the instigation of Washington. I actually think it doesn't matter who is in the WH, chaos is stock in trade

That's how off track you are Clete as HC was never the president, and Obama was when the GFC hit the world. He saved your Aussie butt too, after the Bush financial disaster. Now that was chaos whether you conservatives acknowledge it or not.

[tomder55]

yes Bush shares the blame because he continued the Clintoon housing policies (btw the real culprit was il Duce Andrew Cuomo the miserable piece of human excrement who is the Governor of the state I live in) . Bush also share responsibility because he foolishly got suckered into believing that a bail out of the banks was the remedy . Also don't dismiss the emperor's role in the GWOT . He was a community activist back then that was pressuring banks to give out risky loans to the poor . He also extended the GWOT with his ridiculous economic polices like the stimulus program and his burdensome regulations ,

[Athos]

yes Bush shares the blame because he continued the Clintoon housing policies (btw the real culprit was il Duce Andrew Cuomo the miserable piece of human excrement who is the Governor of the state I live in) . Bush also share responsibility because he foolishly got suckered into believing that a bail out of the banks was the remedy . Also don't dismiss the emperor's role in the GWOT . He was a community activist back then that was pressuring banks to give out risky loans to the poor . He also extended the GWOT with his ridiculous economic polices like the stimulus program and his burdensome regulations ,

This is a load of crap and you know it. Goldman Sachs et al falsified packages of mortgages and sold them as AAA securities KNOWING they were toxic. Everything you wrote as a cause is nothing but phony right-wing talking points trying to excuse Wall Street. You didn't mention it but Obama's DOJ could have tried harder to indict the criminals, but it caved.

You don't seem to have the courage to say who you voted for, but if I assume you did not vote for Trump, and I think that's a pretty safe assumption, then let's see now. Who would that leave that you might have voted for?

Courage? The real question is why are you so interested. Probably to make arguments based on voting. Better you should use intelligence and reason based on arguing the points raised. That's how discussions are carried out - not how someone voted.

By the way, for such a self-proclaimed expert on the Constitution, you seem to be unaware of the secret ballot - a hallowed tradition in America.

[jlisenbe]

Courage? The real question is why are you so interested. Probably to make arguments based on voting. Better you should use intelligence and reason based on arguing the points raised. That's how discussions are carried out - not how someone voted.

Or you don't want to admit you voted for HC because you know that would destroy your ability to raise cane about Trump's character, sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.

[Athos]

Or you don't want to admit you voted for HC because you know that would destroy your ability to raise cane about Trump's character, sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.

Time for you to admit it. You support Trump in spite of his strange behavior because he proclaims he is anti-abortion (which anyone who has followed Trump from his NY days knows that is simply a matter of convenience designed to attract votes).

As to Hillary, you're conflicted about the role of women in society - a woman president is a bit too much for you. We surmise this from your previous post here commenting how the Bible would advise re a present-day position concerning a woman.

[paraclete]

That's how off track you are Clete as HC was never the president, and Obama was when the GFC hit the world. He saved your Aussie butt too, after the Bush financial disaster. Now that was chaos whether you conservatives acknowledge it or not.

Hilliary was secretary of State during the arab spring, enuff said. Saving Aussie butt couldn't be further from the mind of any US president and certainly not Obama, he wasn't even interested in saving US butt just spending you into oblivion. The GFC was much more a disaster for the US than the world, Blame Bush for it if you like but clearly it was social engineering gone wrong and we know who to blame for that

[waltero]

That's how off track you are Clete as HC was never the president

Bill (and others) considered her Co-president...how far off are you?

Hillary has nothing to do with anything? Why does her name keep popping up???

[Wondergirl]

Hillary has nothing to do with anything? Why does her name keep popping up???

We Republicans have used her as a diversion and as a tennis ball to bounce back and forth.

[talaniman]

Hilliary was secretary of State during the arab spring, enuff said. Saving Aussie butt couldn't be further from the mind of any US president and certainly not Obama, he wasn't even interested in saving US butt just spending you into oblivion. The GFC was much more a disaster for the US than the world, Blame Bush for it if you like but clearly it was social engineering gone wrong and we know who to blame for that

LOL, now that's some goofy logic. Clearly big banks and big money got greedy making money hand over fists that destroyed the housing market and led to the GFC, by using tools and gimmicks to exploit eager buyers. That the world went along with this easy money scheme at a time when sovereign finances were a huge deal was predictable.

You must explain this social engineering phrase more Clete, because I think it's just the old dog should be allowed to eat dog philosophy that maintains the status quo class system conservatives so love and adhere to. In layman's terms, tax cuts for the rich because they deserve it and the rest are rabble to justify legal stealing through wealth enhancement through extraction.

Bill (and others) considered her Co-president...how far off are you?

Hillary has nothing to do with anything? Why does her name keep popping up???

Ask JL, but no secret she has garnered absolute FEAR of strong capable females for decades from conservatives.

This is what happens when you lose to an idiot...idiots at work.

Agreed