[jlisenbe]

All of which is why we need a small, well-focused federal government. Big government is not our friend, it is our enemy.

[talaniman]

Russia interfered in our election and the dufus has yet to do anything and seems to want Vlad to interfere again to get him re elected, while he obstructs any opposition from revealing the facts. How much more lying do you righty conservatives need before you wake up? Obviously you REFUSE to read the report and left with the lies the dufus and his sycophants feed you.

[jlisenbe]

Russia interfered in our election and the dufus has yet to do anything

Obama was pres during the election, so anything the Russkies did is on him.

[talaniman]

Did nothing is your spin, not based in fact but let's see what has the dufus done in his two years? NOTHING but blast and ignore his intel community and tell the world Vlad had noting to do with the cyber war onslaught, and work actively to hide his actions and obstruct any investigation. Repubs being his willing sycophants the whole time.

How do you ignore these FACTS? Why have you not read the report for yourself?

[jlisenbe]

Did nothing is your spin, not based in fact but let's see what has the dufus done in his two years?

If he did anything, it was plainly not effective. He was in office for 8 years and that was plenty of time to identify and stop any Russian interference. Didn't do a very good job, did he?

According to (former) Saint Mueller, there was no coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

[talaniman]

Even if no evidence is apparent what is FACT is the dufus and his campaign actually did have contact with Russian operatives and lied about it, the dufus knew of Russian interference and knew he could benefit from the hacking of the dems, wanted to stifle any look into that interference, by blasting the intel community, firing investigators, and tell the American people Vlad said he didn't do it and all of that is detailed in the report you refuse to read. That makes all your talking points on the subject devoid of facts and credibility. You can help your case if we stick to present facts and not deal with your "talking points" from the loony right dufus regurgitating low information wing of the red meat guzzling crowd.

Can't read or something?

[tomder55]

for the record I did read the report and it does not support your conclusions in any way. The only way you could take obstruction out of it is if you fantasize and rewrite the obstruction laws by equating a desire to interfere in the investigation, or wishing he could as actual proof that he did .That was Mueller's conundrum. He thinks that Trump wanted to obstruct .So any action Trump did gets filtered through his desire to do so .Mueller knows the argument is as nonsensical as the one Comey gave us that Evita did not intend to break the law,therefore a reasonable prosecutor should not charge her .

[jlisenbe]

Even if no evidence is apparent what is FACT

Facts but no evidence? What a strange system of justice you have.

[tomder55]

I believe Pontius Pilot posed the question “Quid est veritas?”'what is truth' .(John 18:38) Truth is obvious for those who don't anchor their beliefs in relativism .

btw the emperor did do something about Russia .He told them to 'knock it off" .

[talaniman]

He also closed embassies and expelled diplomats, and imposed sanctions a month later. The dufus crew told Vlad no worries don't retaliate. Before the election Slick Mitch threatened to use any disclosure of the Russian hacking against the dems remember? They still warned the states and offered federal assistance to find if their election systems were compromised. Nearly half the country was and the dufus was warned about Russian outreach and what did he do about that warning? Ignored them completely.

That alone was enough to justify looking at him and his campaign MUCH closer. Anything less would have been a dereliction of duty, by any bodies measure except the loons. Of course it was a witch hunt and the dufus crew and Vlad certainly fall into that category.

[tomder55]

well there you have it ;the preconceived outcome and the effort to invent facts to prove it . Trump made no secret to the fact that he thought there should be improved relations with Russia . There are too many areas of common interests for us to be nose to nose holding our arsenals in hand .

It is just a ridiculous proposition to claim the Russians had any impact on the election .Don't believe me ? Ask the emperor .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruh2p_Wh_4

This is all you need to know about the whole thing :

Lisa Page – He’s not ever going to become president, right? Right?!

Strzok - No. No he’s not. We’ll stop it.

IF you want to talk about colluding with the Russians then you need not look any further than the role of Fusion GPS with the Evita campaign . Let's start with the fact that former Brit intel officer Christopher Steele was hired by Fusion GPS after the Evita contracted with them ,though the law firm Perkins Coie ,and not while they briefly worked for some Republican candidates .

Perkins Coie paid FusionGPS a total of $1,024,408 on behalf of Hillary Clinton for the bogus Steele dossier. The dossier was passed off to mainstream journalists as an authentic KGB document and used by the emperor's DOJ to secure FISA warrants against domestic opponents. The misinformation in the anti-Trump dossier came from Steele's contacts in the Kremlin . Fusion GPS was also working for the Russian's interests in attempting to reverse the Magnitsky Act. More on that below

Fusion hired Nellie Ohr ;former CIA and wife of Bruce Ohr who was the emperor's Deputy AG .

In late May 2016 Nellie Ohr applied for a HAM radio license which would allow Nellie Ohr and Christopher Steele the ability to communicate outside the normal NSA electronic communication intercepts.Steele filed his first report - the infamous 'pee pee' memo June 20, 2016. Throughout July, August, and September 2016 Fusion GPS was paying journalists from the NY Slimes , ABC, NBC, Washington ComPost and others to listen to Christopher Steele who was shopping the dossier. (Court papers confirm payments. )Because the material was unverified, none of them cited the dossier or its source.Sometime around Thanksgiving 2016 Simpson met with Bruce Ohr while Trump was selecting his cabinet The two discussed the dossier, the FBI's Russia meddling investigation, and what Simpson considered the distressing development of Trump's victory. The bogus dossier had been in the hands of the FBI for some five months, and FISA surveillance had begun on Carter Page months earlier.

Fusion was hired to compile a dossier on Bill Browder ;a Brit banker who lobbied hard for the passage of the Magnitsky Act .Magnitsky ,an employee of Browder ,died in Russia under suspicious circumstance while investigating the loss of $350 million , Simpson ,working closely with Russian lawyer

Natalia Veselnitskaya, complied an anti-Browder dossier .Fusion GPS was paid

$523,651 for that effort ;

through the Russian Katsyv family.

and

Natalia Veselnitskaya ?

Well you remember her from the Trump Tower meeting .

Veselnitskaya was granted special immigration parole status by AG Loretta Lynch to represent Prevezon Holdings in an asset forfeiture agreement for $6 million with the U.S. government over a Russia money laundering suit on May 12, 2016. Veselnitskaya overstayed her immigration parole status to work for FusionGPS to illegally lobby for the repeal of Russian sanctions and the Magnitsky Act . Neither Veselnitskaya nor FusionGPS registered as Russian agents .

Veselnitskaya was later charged in US 2nd district for obstruction related to this case .

So what you have is the very firm that was hired by Evita to compile an anti-Trump op research dossier on Trump ;and hired an ex Brit spook ,who used his Russian contacts to create the dossier ,was also working on behalf of the Russian government as an unregistered foreign agent to lobby for the repeal of sanctions against Russia. There is your Russian collusion in a nut shell.

Veselnitskaya was working out of the offices of Cozen O'Connor ;a law firm run by an anti-Trump former official of the emperor's regime, Howard Schweitzer,who's super pac donated heavily to Evita's campaign.

Schweitzer lives in the same apartment building as James Comey’s friend Daniel Richman — who leaked classified information to the press on Comey’s behalf .

Glen Simpson dined with

Veselnitskaya the day before and the day after the Trump Tower meeting . At the meeting was Rinat Akhmetshin ,a former Soviet military veteran with ties to Russian intel.He also was lobbying heavily for the repeal of the Magnistsky Act.

The Trump Tower meeting was set up as a sting to entrap Don Jr and Jared Kushner. They lured them with the fiction that they had "dirt" on Evita . They instead wanted to discuss the repeal of sanctions related to the Magnitsky Act. When Kushner and Don Jr learned of the true reason for the meeting ,they quickly ended it .

Trump EXPANDED sanctions against Russia as a result of the Russian tampering .

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/9/20/...mueller-caatsa

He signed into law the 'Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act'. The act provides For The Sanctioning Of Russia For Activities Such As Cyber Security, Corruption, Human Rights Abuse, Sanctions Evasion, And Arms Transfers To Syria.

and for it's invasion of Ukraine

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics...poisoning-case

He also authorized the sale of lethal wepons to Ukraine to combat the Russian invasion ;something the emperor opposed .

He ordered attacks on Russian interests in Syria ;attacks that killed hundreds of Russian troops .

Trump expelled 60 Russian diplomats following the poisoning of former KGB agent Sergei Skripal .

Trump sanctioned numerous Russian actors for violating non-proliferation laws by supporting weapons programs in Iran and Syria, and supporting North Korea's development of weapons of mass destruction.

As a part of its sanctions against Russia, the United States has prevented numerous companies from partnering with Russian offshore oil projects, denying these projects access to capital and key resources.

The Trump Administration has also opposed the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which could generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for Russia.

The U.S. has increased troops and its military capability in Eastern Europe and dramatically increased training and drills with NATO .Due to pressure fromTrump ,NATO allies have increased defense expenditures by five percent.

There are many more examples of this proving that IF Putin thought he was going to get a patsy poodle in the White House by helping Trump win the election ;he was sorely mistaken .

[jlisenbe]

Seems like a pretty good analysis. Thanks for the info.

[talaniman]

So there is a huge plot by Russians, politicians, and law enforcement to set up the dufus that's been going on for many years and Mueller decided to join in. Is that what you're trying to sell me?

[tomder55]

It was not the whole law enforcement establishment . It was a cabal of senior level FBI ,CIA ,national security leaders in the emperor's regime ,along with some international players who did not want Trump elected primarily for what he was saying about NATO .
Yes Mueller went along with it . He was a long time associate of fired FBI Director Comey . The truth is that Mueller should've recused himself for that reason alone. As it turns out ; Mueller had already agreed to accept the Special Council position BEFORE he had an interview with Trump as a candidate to replace Comey. Instead he went on the interview where he and Trump engaged in potentially all types of information related to the upcoming investigation without informing Trump that he was going to take the position of Special Investigator .Then he packed his staff with some of the very conspirators who led the coup attempt (let's call it what it was )
I have already documented examples in Mueller's history where he has knowingly had no qualms about going after innocent people .

[talaniman]

That's a great one sided analogy, not entirely accurate though, but unfortunately for the dufus, his side is being revealed and its dirty as hell. LOL, HC's biggest mistake was not asking China for the dufus tax returns.

[paraclete]

That's a great one sided analogy, not entirely accurate though, but unfortunately for the dufus, his side is being revealed and its dirty as hell. LOL, HC's biggest mistake was not asking China for the dufus tax returns.

But you should have asked Assange, he could get them for you if you removed the trumped up charges against him

[waltero]

but unfortunately for the Don, his side is being revealed and its dirty as hell.

But it's just life. There is no right no wrong there's just life... life is life.

You keep bringing up "Dirty Don," as if he is suppose to be punished for being a scurvy Dog. He's the Don, he's untouchable. Don't bother yourself with all this Malarkey. A house divided will fall... get ready for it.

[talaniman]

But you should have asked Assange, he could get them for you if you removed the trumped up charges against him

Maybe Vlad has them already. If Nancy would ask him nicely...or maybe he will take a plea deal, or a condo...or rat Vlad out...we know what happens when you rat Vlad out!

But it's just life. There is no right no wrong there's just life... life is life.

You keep bringing up "Dirty Don," as if he is suppose to be punished for being a scurvy Dog. He's the Don, he's untouchable. Don't bother yourself with all this Malarkey. A house divided will fall... get ready for it.

Please don't use quotes when you change the words, that's just bad form. The dufus is not just life he is our prez and head of government, Presidents are not above the law.

[waltero]

Please don't use quotes when you change the words, that's just bad form.

I don't think that was an actual quote, didn't have the, Originally Posted by talaniman. My apologies anyway.

The dufus is not just life he is our prez and head of government

Than treat him as such!

Presidents are not above the law.

No; the elite are above the law.

[jlisenbe]

But it's just life. There is no right no wrong there's just life... life is life.

Walter, that philosophy only works when Tal is trying to explain his position on abortion.