[smoothy]

Tom, despite the fact that the US interferes in the politics of many nations, Putin doesn't need your help, I have little doubt he is behind this. Turkey is supposed to be a US ally in the "fight" against Daesh although a little luke warm in that fight. I'm wondering if the US has shifted from opposing Assad to thinking of him as the best deal it can get

.. Turkey had apparently shifted its position in opposing Assad and this may have been the trigger



smoothy, after hearing seven years of nothing could be worse than Obama, I'm just proposing the "devil you know" scenario and the inevietable migration from republic to empire otherwise you will see Dump playing Vader to a Dilliary Empress

Actually the fact is most people DON'T know Hillary at all, the short time she WAS an elected official... she accomplished NOTHING. But during her years as unelected person in Washington, there is a (and I am not exaggerating in any way) a list of dead bodies... (actual dead bodies) a long list of crimes the Democrat flunkies have worked overtime to play down and keep her out of jail, and that list is also very long.

If she was a normal average American... She would have been in jail doing time on several occasions.

Plus what I speak of her evil personality traits, is not from the internet... its direct personal observation, and from other people I know personally who saw it with their own eyes and ears directly.

Heaven forbid the Press actually give the public facts....That hasn't happened in well over 40 years...in fact the press and media today act as the propaganda wing of the Democrat party. They go out of the way to make her look like a Queen, while going as far as slander and libel against Trump when they can't find anything he actually did do...

All the years I've spent in DC...has made me have ZERO trust in the media. So much so you can barely trust what they put on the weather...because every so often they have to harp on the Global Warming hoax. About how EXTREME the weather is and how IDEAL it was in the past...

I'm 55, I remember a LOT of extreme weather during my entire life, Hot and Cold..I've got clothes I wear older than most of these Millennials that think the rest of us are as gullible as they are, about Weather, Politics and really, everything else.

In fact there is nothing as pathetic or comical...as a teen or anyone in their 20's trying to argue about how evil Regan or Bush was....you REALLY don't begin to have a grasp of reality until you are an adult and have actually had to support yourself, on your own. And until you've done that for a good while....THEN they might have some personal experience, and not something some biased teacher that had a poor grasp of themselves because they got it 3rd or 4th had from a biased media force fed them as being real.

Personal experience between the USA and Europe...maybe 5-10% of the people have some clue about whats really happening, the rest are clueless because they are force fed propaganda by a media with an agenda.

I REALLY wish the media was legally required to tell it like it is without any personal opinion....

Like Advertisers are legally required to do in many cases, at least in the USA, can't speak for Canada, but Europe its a joke...I see products actively marketed and sold in Europe that the manufactures were sued by the Government for false advertising, had to pay huge fines and reimburse customers...

One recent one....Sketchers Shape up shoes. Still advertised and sold in Italy EXACTLY the same as they used to be here. Just the tip of the iceberg. Crap. lies and propaganda are everywhere. Internet, radio, TV and newspapers.

The Old Soviet era Pravda didn't have an exclusive on propaganda.

[paraclete]

The Old Soviet era Pravda didn't have an exclusive on propaganda.

well maybe be so but interestingly during that era I spent some time on a Russian cruise ship. I bet the americans never admitted there could be such a thing but the daily news bulletins published didn't embroider the news in the era of Afghanistan and the ban on the Moscow olympics and were free of the rhetoric we enjoy so much. There are many ways of lying, sometimes just omitting part of the facts without talking of regimes, is a lie and I observe that in our own press whenever we speak of an opposition government we speak of regimes but when we speak of the americans we speak of the administration and when we speak of our own we speak of government. So someone just poked the Turkish regime in the eye, while the US regime ignored the event, no talk of arab spring this time, no endorsement of regime change to oust a dictator just as bad as Assad, all we got from our regime was a travel advisory

[tomder55]

With a coup in Turkey I think it is time to ask;where are we going with this? The whole of the middle east region is destabilised, nothing new in that, but the situation is escalating. Attempts to scale down the conflict in Syria have destabilised Turkey and so what do we really have here, an attempted coup in Syria allowing the rise of Daesh, a bloodless coup in Iraq followed by some success in pushing back Daesh, now a coup in Turkey in a nation that fostered Daesh and fermented unrest in Syria. You have to see the hand of Russia in this, someone had to be let go and Erdogan got the DCM. It pays to have powerful allies instead of limp wristed muslim sycophants

Turkey under Erdogan has been a destabilizing force. They have been a gateway for Jihadist to get to Syria. Meanwhile they have prevented Kurds who want to help Syrian Kurds from entering Syria. I just regret the fact that the coup apparently failed. We now can look forward for years of the Islamic State of Turkey .

[paraclete]

Turkey under Erdogan has been a destabilizing force. They have been a gateway for Jihadist to get to Syria. Meanwhile they have prevented Kurds who want to help Syrian Kurds from entering Syria. I just regret the fact that the coup apparently failed. We now can look forward for years of the Islamic State of Turkey .

Yes but maybe it is for the best, otherwise we may have had another Syria and millions more refugees to deal with. If Turkey had degenerated into civil war there goes the neighbourhood

[tomder55]

Yes but maybe it is for the best, otherwise we may have had another Syria and millions more refugees to deal with. If Turkey had degenerated into civil war there goes the neighbourhood

In case you hadn't noticed ,Turkey has been in a constant state of Civil War for a long time .

Escalating Turkish Civil War Sees Young Fighters on Front - SPIEGEL ONLINE

The whole southern part of the country has been a militarized zone for years .

[paraclete]

In case you hadn't noticed ,Turkey has been in a constant state of Civil War for a long time .

Escalating Turkish Civil War Sees Young Fighters on Front - SPIEGEL ONLINE

The whole southern part of the country has been a militarized zone for years .

Yes I know they have had a problem with the Kurds, a problem which won't go away until they allow a state of Kurdistan to be established. Turkey is an artificial country, a hangover from the last of the Ottoman empire, but that problem also existed in Iraq. Once again artificial lines drawn on a map for military and political convenience have left an open sore. Why they want to desperately hang on to a people who don't want to be there eludes me