[talaniman]

I modified my original post.

[excon]

excon, please explain how evolution is the bedrock of biology. Please explain how medicine is based on evolution.

Hello Carol:

Good question.. Of course, I'm NOT a biologist but this is what a biologist said about the question..

The change in allele frequency over time in a population of organisms, is a fact. The theory of evolution by natural selection is the theory. Scientific theory, ISN'T the same thing as you theorizing over who will win the ballgame.. Scientific theories are not only the highest concept in science, but encompass laws. Biology as it is today would fall apart without the underpinning of evolution and the theory that explains much about evolution. Without evolution and evolutionary theory biology would be a disparate collection of stamp collectors.

Without biology, the study of life, there wouldn't be medicine.

excon

[tomder55]

Nobody asks why Canada doesn't refine its own tar sand crude. Wonder why?

Why Aren't We Building Refineries In Canada? Because It's Too Late, Experts Say

because the refineries are here already . Don't worry about the Canadians . They dug their own grave electing in the Trudeau government . He ran in favor of Keystone ,even though he privately opposed it. ...The emperor did him a favor by making this decision 3 days after he was installed . He will probably now move to destroy the Alberta oil industry .

[paraclete]

Hello:

Evolution is the bedrock of biology. Biology is the bedrock of medicine. If you don't believe in evolution, why do you take medicine? And, if you DO take medicine, and expect it to WORK, whether you like it or not, you're a BELIEVER in evolution..

Chew on that.

excon

Ex every now and then you come up with absolute crap and this it it, Biology is a study of what is, something that is physically right in front of you, and medicine is about bringing a change in something that is right in front of you. It has nothing to do with evolution or creationism.I don't need to believe in every aspect of science to consult a doctor, even though I know that the science employed here may not be settled but the best knowledge we might have at the moment

[Wondergirl]

excon, makes me think of bacteria that mutate (EVOLVE into "superbugs") so that medical science has to come up with better antibiotics.

Nobody asks why Canada doesn't refine its own tar sand crude. Wonder why?

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/05...n_1539701.html

They have refineries on their East Coast.

because the refineries are here already . Don't worry about the Canadians . They dug their own grave electing in the Trudeau government . He ran in favor of Keystone ,even though he privately opposed it. ...The emperor did him a favor by making this decision 3 days after he was installed . He will probably now move to destroy the Alberta oil industry .

One can only hope. That tar-sand oil is nasty stuff.

[paraclete]

They have refineries on their East Coast.

Yes they do and I haven't heard an explanation of why they would not build their pipeline across their own lands, perhaps it is a greater distance but it would make sense to use their own refining capacity but this is the oil business and what make sense on a national scale doesn't make sense to a multinational........

Now if Canada were to subsidise a pipeline..

One can only hope. That tar-sand oil is nasty stuff.

Yes and more and more of it will be refined

[Wondergirl]

Read up on Energy East.

[paraclete]

Ok so common sense did take over for a while, shipping oil to the US for refining is a "beggar my neighbour" policy in emission reduction terms but you can always expect the "aboriginal" population to be against something, those guys just want things to go back to the way they were. With change in Canada will come different environmental responses. So crunch time for Canada you either want an oil industry or you do not. This is where this environmental debate is carried on by wack jobs who have no regard for the economic life of the nation. The US doesn't need Canadian oil so it doesn't need the pipeline. Why should they allow it in environmentally sensitive areas, there is another route approved by Bush anyway

[Wondergirl]

The US won't get the oil, just temporary jobs.

[paraclete]

Yes there is no gain for the US in the pipeline, excepting perhaps reduction of risk on rail transport. These debates are an exercise in foolishness because they are about preserving the status quo, whether it be in oil refining, or oil supply

[tomder55]

The US won't get the oil, just temporary jobs.

The US gets jobs building the pipeline . The US gets jobs refining the oil. The US gets jobs shipping the oil . All told ,an estimated 42,000 jobs lost because of this decision. Jobs Americans will do. Jobs that Democrat supporting unions wanted .

[tomder55]

excon, makes me think of bacteria that mutate (EVOLVE into "superbugs") so that medical science has to come up with better antibiotics.

How does knowing evolution change that ? For the purpose of medical care ,they have to deal with the bacteria that is here and now.Antibiotic resistance involves the genetic shuffling of genes that bacteria already possess. Not only that ;any mutation will result in a loss of information due to the change in genetic material. Knowing it's evolution does not help treat the patient infected . Doctors don’t need to believe in evolution to understand shuffling of genetic material in microbes can create antibiotic resistance bacteria . They don't need to understand how it evolved .

Evolutionary claims are neither relevant nor useful to their profession. In fact ,belief in evolution has at times made the medical profession make bad decisions. Remember when appendectomies were done often based on the belief that we had evolved to a point where it had no value ,and they were a left over from our ape days ? Well we now know that it is far from useless. Instead ,it is an important part of the development of the immune system .It also serves as a reservoir of good flora .

Now think about it . The evolution theory proposed that our ancestors crawled out of the primordial ooze ;and then through the process of natural selection we evolved to where we are today. That meant that the weak died off and the strong survived ,passing along the gene pool to the next generations. According to that theory we should do away with the medical profession altogether . By treating illness we are keeping the weak alive. Medicine is anti-evolutionary .

With savages, the weak in body and mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick; we institute poor laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of everyone to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands who, from a weak constitution, would formerly have succumbed to smallpox. Thus the weak members of civilised society propagate their kind.
No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but, excepting in the case of man himself, hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.
The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered in the manner previously indicated more tender and more widely diffused. Nor can we check our sympathy, even without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature … We must, therefore, bear the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind.

(Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man, 1887)

Eugenics was the evolutionists response to human health care .

[Wondergirl]

The US gets jobs building the pipeline . The US gets jobs refining the oil. The US gets jobs shipping the oil . All told ,an estimated 42,000 jobs lost because of this decision. Jobs Americans will do. Jobs that Democrat supporting unions wanted .

Those are temp jobs. Only about 50 would be permanent.

[tomder55]

Those are temp jobs. Only about 50 would be permanent.

One could argue that any infrastructure job is temporary . Yet the emperor and the Dems are always saying we need to spend more for those "temporary " jobs.

[Wondergirl]

One could argue that any infrastructure job is temporary . Yet the emperor and the Dems are always saying we need to spend more for those "temporary " jobs.

But gas prices are very low, the environment doesn't need to suffer from the nastily produced oil from Canada, and if we brought back all those jobs shipped overseas and give them back to people in this country who speak English, all would be well.

[paraclete]

if we brought back all those jobs shipped overseas and give them back to people in this country who speak English, all would be well.

How do you know any job done is done by someoone who speaks english? You bring back the factory jobs and they will be done by hispanics migrating to get employment. You cannot sign free trade agreements and be protectionist, wanting the trade agreements to benefit only yourselves. I would like to see those auto industry jobs which your multinational auto companies have taken from this country returned so we don't have to buy US produced SUV instead of real cars.

[Wondergirl]

How do you know any job done is done by someoone who speaks english? You bring back the factory jobs and they will be done by hispanics migrating to get employment. You cannot sign free trade agreements and be protectionist, wanting the trade agreements to benefit only yourselves. I would like to see those auto industry jobs which your multinational auto companies have taken from this country returned so we don't have to buy US produced SUV instead of real cars.

I call the help lines for American companies (my health insurance, my computer, my credit cards -- all with US corporate locations) and get connected to people named Jim Howard or Cathy Jones in India or Central and South America. I ask them where they are sitting, and invariably they say (in poor English) Mumbai or Colombia or the Philippines. We often talk about the joys of samosas or empanadas or fried rice. I've even been given recipes. Sometimes they have even answered my question correctly. But why don't US people have these jobs?

[Athos]

But why don't US people have these jobs?

Because US corporations can hire workers overseas at enormously lower costs than would be the case in the US. Minimum wage, for example, is about $0.30 per hour in India compared to about $7.50 in the US. And - the US minimum wage is trending upwards to $15 an hour.

The great disparity in income would also apply to workers in India doing telephone service work for US corporations. In both countries these kinds of workers would be paid more than mininum wage, but the much lower comparative costs would still apply.

[paraclete]

There is a simple solution to all this we go back to being protectionist, protecting our local jobs and driving up costs until the poor who have benefited from these lower prices are driven into extinction. When will you realise this one world capitalist system doesn't work it, just brings misery while advantaging a few. The ills we have in the world today are an outworking of that system, exploitation of ME oil, exploitation of low cost labour. We were much better off when patents were exploited by royalies for local manufacture, than to have this centralised system we have today were everything ultimately comes from one place

The indians are an industrious people given half the chance but what you complain about is a very small percentage of the population exploited by your multinationals. I too want to talk to someone who speaks english and understands the issues not a parrot with a funny voice. Outsourcing is multinational crap and disrespect of their customers

[Wondergirl]

But why don't US people have these jobs?

My question is, of course, rhetorical. Another one is, Why does greed drive the marketplace?