[smoothy]

I stand by my assertions that any group that is NOT willing to take up arms to defend their own country...

About this peace, Smoothy, that is the problem, that you just don't seem to grasp: the Syrian refugees aren't an organised group! Assad's army is organised, all the terrorists are organised, but the commoners just aren't and they don't have any arms either.

They don't have a second commandment in Syria and like Talaniman pointed out, Assad is being backed by the Russians! How can any group of people stand against Putin! Look at what happened in Afghanistan, how Russia screwed things up there. The Russians are really messing the Middle East up and you can't blame the commoners of those countries for what Russia is doing there for decades!

Even if there was agroup, ready to take up arms, it is really hard to communicate with each other, there is no internet anymore, there are no phonelines. All the other groups are operating internationally and already have infrastructures that they can use.

Russia is really a huge destabalising factor in the world today. If it wasn't for them, MH17 wasn't shot by the Ukrainian separatists and Assad would have long been defeated. There the ones fueling all the wars, for decades now!

Any person NOT willing to take up arms to defend their home country... deserves to be taken out and shot by those running it. Sorry.. I have ZERO respect for anyone unwilling to do that. And I don't want them living near me either. They are cowards. Plain and simple.

[Fr_Chuck]

Considering that there were only about 17 million people in America (North and South) in 1492, and that it was illness , not war that killed an estimated 90 percent of them. I think that there are facts that were learned, that are not true.

In fact, if one considered mixed blood, up to 1/4, there are actually more native american people today, than there was in 1492 when that big "white invasion" happened.

There were many killed of course, and land taken, but the death toll of the entire American national people, over 300 years, would not have been near the deaths of China, or Russia, or Germany.

[tickle]

Smoothy, there are many rumours flying but where did you hear that people in Germany are being evicted in favour of refugees? My son lives in Germany and only reports that in his small town on the German/Dutch border there are more then usual people waundering about. He will be here in two weeks, so I will hear more about this I am sure.

Merkel knows what she is doing. Germany is one of the best run countries in the EU?

[misspurple77]

Smoothy, there are many rumours flying but where did you hear that people in Germany are being evicted in favour of refugees? My son lives in Germany and only reports that in his small town on the German/Dutch border there are more then usual people waundering about. He will be here in two weeks, so I will hear more about this I am sure.

Merkel knows what she is doing. Germany is one of the best run countries in the EU?

I don't believe it either, but since it is impossible to prove that something doesn't happen, I just pointed out that they are lying that this happens in The Netherlands, while it doesn't.

But if it would happen, it would be all over the news of course. Germany is a democracy, you can't just evict people out of their homes!

[misspurple77]

Considering that there were only about 17 million people in America (North and South) in 1492, and that it was illness , not war that killed an estimated 90 percent of them. I think that there are facts that were learned, that are not true.

In fact, if one considered mixed blood, up to 1/4, there are actually more native american people today, than there was in 1492 when that big "white invasion" happened.

There were many killed of course, and land taken, but the death toll of the entire American national people, over 300 years, would not have been near the deaths of China, or Russia, or Germany.

That's what I learned in school, but unfortunately, it was deliberate, babies were smacked against rocks!

Just some examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Removal_Act

History News Network | Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide?

Atrocities Against Native Americans - United to End Genocide

Any person NOT willing to take up arms to defend their home country... deserves to be taken out and shot by those running it. Sorry.. I have ZERO respect for anyone unwilling to do that. And I don't want them living near me either. They are cowards. Plain and simple.

Well, your ancestors left their home countries in Europe, instead of taking up arms to improve their lifes there, so according to your own logic, they deserve to be shot.

They are not cowards, you are just a victim blamer, because you are too greedy to help your fellow human beings.

And you still haven't answered Wondergirl's question, which only proves that you just can't reason your way out of this.

So I am done with responding to you, because there is just no use to respond to so much willfull ignorance.

[Fr_Chuck]

I have moved this to the discussion board area, where there is more "freedom" of comments.

I will say that it is amusing, that the person who seems so open to one people, is not open to accept that many people do not agree with them.

That an idea of racist is not just against the refugees, but if someone things ill of another race, (perhaps white Europeans)

[misspurple77]

I have moved this to the discussion board area, where there is more "freedom" of comments.

I will say that it is amusing, that the person who seems so open to one people, is not open to accept that many people do not agree with them.

That an idea of racist is not just against the refugees, but if someone things ill of another race, (perhaps white Europeans)

You totally misunderstand me.

I have no problems with white European or any white people based on their race. All that I am trying to say is that no race is better than another, because every single human being living on this earth is a descendant of savage, barbaric ancestors, including me. Smoothy wants to think that he is better than Syrian people, but no one is better than anyone else.

He is the one that started calling the Dutch a laughing stock, while he might be part Dutch himself, that is all that I was trying to achieve: don't look down upon other people, when you yourself are living in a country that is stolen from the native Americans.

[talaniman]

Soaring rhetoric and blame/name calling often begets the same thing back. Human nature and a fact during such discussions. The true test of racism comes from the power exercised over another not some screaming match over who is the master race.

That we have a war being fought only highlights the divisions of hate as Assad staves off his Arab spring thanks to Vlad.

[misspurple77]

Soaring rhetoric and blame/name calling often begets the same thing back. Human nature and a fact during such discussions. The true test of racism comes from the power exercised over another not some screaming match over who is the master race.

That we have a war being fought only highlights the divisions of hate as Assad staves off his Arab spring thanks to Vlad.

I am really not trying to blame anyone, I am only trying to explain that the Syrians are innocent victims and not terrorists, like Smoothy claims.

But you are right. My approach clearly isn't working, people misunderstand me for being racist. So how else can I stop people from believing and spreading lies like all Muslims are terrorists? From saying that women in the UK and France are being beheaded for not wearing burqa's, that there is Sharia there, when all of that just simply isn't true?

There were rumours that there was a Sharia area in a neighbourhood here in The Hague, it also turned out to be false.

[smoothy]

Smoothy, there are many rumours flying but where did you hear that people in Germany are being evicted in favour of refugees? My son lives in Germany and only reports that in his small town on the German/Dutch border there are more then usual people waundering about. He will be here in two weeks, so I will hear more about this I am sure.

Merkel knows what she is doing. Germany is one of the best run countries in the EU?

Tickle... I read it in one of my news sources in the last several weeks. Its NOT been widely covered... and in fact is being ignored because its not politically correct. And it effects renters significantly more than property owners. If you remember European renters tend to stay put sometimes for decades and don't move around frequently.

As far as Germany being the Best run country in Europe... I won't disagree, I think the Average Boy Scout troop could do better than most of the other countries there countries do. Though it still does a lot that's wrong. And The European News agencies are even more biased and corrupt than our own are (And the BBC is one of the worst)... based on thousands of different points I've seen in reality vs. what they chose to tell the public over 30+ years of having access to them.

[smoothy]

I don't believe it either, but since it is impossible to prove that something doesn't happen, I just pointed out that they are lying that this happens in The Netherlands, while it doesn't.

But if it would happen, it would be all over the news of course. Germany is a democracy, you can't just evict people out of their homes!

You really believe everything you hear on the news? Then you really are seriously misguided and misinformed then. Because most of what you think you know is as wrong as those numbers you were throwing around and arguing were FACT about 40 Million Russians killed being only 40% of American Indians killed. Which YOUR wildly inaccurate and unprovable claim would be that 100 million Indians were Killed. When there were not even a fraction of that in TOTAL EVER inhabiting the Entire USA region until well into the 1900's.

And you are wrong about a lot of your other claims as well.

And you still won't rant and rave about the Dutch cooperating with the Nazi's in nearly wiping out the ENTIRE population of Jews in Europe...along with the French, the Belgians, Spanish, Portuguese, and every other country with the exception of the UK.

Those number are real....those occurred during the actual lifespans of people still alive today...some of whom survived those camps. Also...in your indignance... you also failed to acknowledge the slavery YOUR ancestors participated in. Slavery was alive and well in the American Continent eons before the first European ever set foot here. And some of the worst were in YOUR ancestors part of the world even if SPANISH isn't a major part of your ancestry.

[misspurple77]

Also Unless you are a full blooded descendant of native Americans... then your descendants were Spanish and responsible for killing off MOST of the Inca and Aztec empire... through murder, enslavement or just through disease.

Regardig this part of your text Smoothy, I already wrote before you made that remark:

I am half Surinamese Indian, a quarter Jewish, indigenous Surinamese, African and Chinese.

What the Dutch did in colonial era's wasn't pretty either. First they enslaved my indigenous great-great-grandmother, but when they realised that the indigeous people weren't strong enough to work like cattle on the plantations (sugar, cotton, cocoa, coffee etc), they obducted my African ancestors from Africa, shipped them all the way to Curaçao and from there to Suriname to work on the plantations. When slavery was abolished, the colonisers were still too lazy and weak to do hard labour themselves, so then they went to India and recruited my mothers family to do the heavy work at the plantations.

So you don't read what I write and on top of that, you are clearly not familiar with the history of Suriname. This is only more evidence, that trying to have an honest discussion with you is just a waste of my time.

But again for the record: no one's descendance is of any relevance, because we all descend from ancestors that committed atrocities.

[misspurple77]

You really believe everything you hear on the news? Then you really are seriously misguided and misinformed then.

I never said that. But if something like that would happen, Geert Wilders would have made a big deal of it and that would have made the news.

Why do keep insisting on trying to put me down, instead of answering Wondergirls question?

All that you are achieving like this, is that you confirm that you can't be reasoned with.

[smoothy]

Regardig this part of your text Smoothy, I already wrote before you made that remark:



So you don't read what I write and on top of that, you are clearly not familiar with the history of Suriname. This is only more evidence, that trying to have an honest discussion with you is just a waste of my time.

But again for the record: no one's descendance is of any relevance, because we all descend from ancestors that committed atrocities.

Based on your demonstrated lack of knowledge in history particularly American history... and the wild numbers you throw around as fact... sorry... My knowledge of history far exceeds your own. Until you start quoting Really facts instead of making up your own as you go... YOU are the one here not participating in a honest Discussion.

Facts are facts... they do not change with the political winds... Liberals believe facts are relative and can change... when they aren't and don't.

And you STILL ignore the fact your ancestors enslaved others long before the Dutch or any Europeans set foot here. SO don't cry indignance when your own people did the same thing eons longer.

Have you even considered the fact that YOUR viewpoints are the ones that are wrong and need consideration?

And you never answered another question....how old are you? Your arguments and writing style indicate high school age to early 20's at most....

[Wondergirl]

Any person NOT willing to take up arms to defend their home country... deserves to be taken out and shot by those running it. Sorry.. I have ZERO respect for anyone unwilling to do that. And I don't want them living near me either. They are cowards. Plain and simple.

If you lived in Syria, which of all those groups fighting in that country would you fight for?

And bombs are falling all over, people are being butchered, so how would you protect your family?

[misspurple77]

You really believe everything you hear on the news? Then you really are seriously misguided and misinformed then. Because most of what you think you know is as wrong as those numbers you were throwing around and arguing were FACT about 40 Million Russians killed being only 40% of American Indians killed. Which YOUR wildly inaccurate and unprovable claim would be that 100 million Indians were Killed. When there were not even a fraction of that in TOTAL EVER inhabiting the Entire USA region until well into the 1900's.

And you are wrong about a lot of your other claims as well.

And you still won't rant and rave about the Dutch cooperating with the Nazi's in nearly wiping out the ENTIRE population of Jews in Europe...along with the French, the Belgians, Spanish, Portuguese, and every other country with the exception of the UK.

Those number are real....those occurred during the actual lifespans of people still alive today...some of whom survived those camps. Also...in your indignance... you also failed to acknowledge the slavery YOUR ancestors participated in. Slavery was alive and well in the American Continent eons before the first European ever set foot here. And some of the worst were in YOUR ancestors part of the world even if SPANISH isn't a major part of your ancestry.

OMG.

Yes some of the Dutch corroborated with the Germans, but there was also a resistance. Those were not my ancestors though, because I don't have Dutch ancestors, I already told you my ancestry twice now. My family didn't move to The Netherlands until the 1960's and 1970's.

Yes, slavery was a worldwide phenomenon. I don't know my family history as far back to know if they ever owned slaves, but there is a huge possibility that they did.

Like I said earlier, I don't disagree with you on those historical facts. But to me those historical facts only prove that none of us has the right to pretend that we are from a better race than the Syrians are nowadays.

I can't even count how often I already said this on this thread. So why are you trying to discredit me with something that I don't even contest? I am nothing better than you and nothing better than a Syrian refugee. You are the only one here that is trying to blame the refugees and not wanting to help them, because you feel like you are better than them.

I say, we are all equal and we should all help each other.

[smoothy]

OMG.

Yes some of the Dutch corroborated with the Germans, but there was also a resistance. Those were not my ancestors though, because I don't have Dutch ancestors, I already told you my ancestry twice now. My family didn't move to The Netherlands until the 1960's and 1970's.

Yes, slavery was a worldwide phenomenon. I don't know my family history as far back to know if they ever owned slaves, but there is a huge possibility that they did.

Like I said earlier, I don't disagree with you on those historical facts. But to me those historical facts only prove that none of us has the right to pretend that we are from a better race than the Syrians are nowadays.

I can't even count how often I already said this on this thread. So why are you trying to discredit me with something that I don't even contest? I am nothing better than you and nothing better than a Syrian refugee. You are the only one here that is trying to blame the refugees and not wanting to help them, because you feel like you are better than them.

I say, we are all equal and we should all help each other.

Still ignoring facts... YOUR ancestors held slaves... ALL native American tribes (North, Central and South participated in this) and you claiming otherwise shows how you are selectively ignoring facts, it was an accepted part of their culture. And you still refuse to accept the fact that someone other than you is right about anything. Face it.. accept it, embrace it.

Seriously... how old are you?

People are not equal... never were never will be.

Some people are just dumb as stumps and have no valuable skills what so ever... others are highly intelligent and good at everything they try... the rest fall somewhere in between. That is anything but equal.

Some are not worth as much as others... and nobody is entitled to anything more than they are able to earn themselves.

Everyone being equal in all things (and "entitled" to equal an share in things) is a socialist and a liberal concept. And no everyone isn't entitled to help... particularly if they are unwilling to help themselves first. Particularly if they created the mess they find themselves in.

Not when it costs someone elses money...and someone elses blood, and the person demanding help won't risk either of their own.

Liberals tend to blame Americans...and specifically Southern Americans for Slavery....ignoring everything else...including world history. And fail to ignore the Slavers who actually captured the slaves and took them to the Coast were also blacks...who then sold them to European slavers who then sold then to American Plantation owners....giving all the OTHER participants a free pass. And also ignoring that American Indians practiced the same things. Some far more brutal than others.

And the Feudal system in Europe was far more brutal because at least slaves had value and were treated better as a result. Better is a relative thing....but important for perspective vs serfs who had no value to the royalty individually.

[misspurple77]

Still ignoring facts... YOUR ancestors held slaves... ALL native American tribes (North, Central and South participated in this) and you claiming otherwise shows how you are selectively ignoring facts, it was an accepted part of their culture. And you still refuse to accept the fact that someone other than you is right about anything. Face it.. accept it, embrace it.

Seriously... how old are you?

People are not equal... never were never will be.

Some people are just dumb as stumps and have no valuable skills what so ever... others are highly intelligent and good at everything they try... the rest fall somewhere in between. That is anything but equal.

Some are not worth as much as others... and nobody is entitled to anything more than they are able to earn themselves.

Everyone being equal in all things (and "entitled" to equal an share in things) is a socialist and a liberal concept. And no everyone isn't entitled to help... particularly if they are unwilling to help themselves first. Particularly if they created the mess they find themselves in themselves.

I am done. I am only writing this, so that you know that I won't be responding anymore to all the nonsense that you write and to all the twisting of my words that you do.

Goodbye.

[smoothy]

I am done. I am only writing this, so that you know that I won't be responding anymore to all the nonsense that you write and to all the twisting of my words that you do.

Goodbye.

Or poor thing... Your "facts" exist only in your head... You are in High school, aren't you? Since all you have done is regurgitate something some teacher told you... which has proven to be grossly inaccurate. So you pick up your ball and go home rather than admit you were mistake or wrong about everything.

Its time you learn your world view as a teenager is grossly wrong...and most things you believe as a teenager (into your early 20's) is also grossly inaccurate and based on ideology instead or reality. And that is common among the very young....they don't have enough life experience yet to see what reality is like....and when they actually have to start paying for all these free things they used to demand...instead of just receive them...ten reality sinks in...why are they working hard to give it to someone else who isn't or hasn't paid their dues yet.

Rant all you want...it doesn't change the reality of the world around you... and NOT seeing things for how they are in todays world can get you killed. That illegal immigrant you invited in your home might cut your throat in your sleep and take everything you own. THAT is reality....Most are not nice people...just like the fact that MILLIONS of Muslims support Terrorism and terrorist ideology. An intelligent person doesn't ignore that just because a handful are actually nice.

[Wondergirl]

No, smoothy, she hasn't been a teen for many years. Please answer my questions as to what you would do and which group you would fight for if you lived in Syria. And yes, that country is a mess.